Sexual Misconduct Allegations in The CAF

[OldSolduer]

Spencer Fernando is rabidly anti Liberal Party. I’d take his writings with a grain of salt.

 

[Pikache]

Hi Pikache

Sorry, i don't understand. Care to explain it to me

You posting the entire article here doesnt give Spencer Fernando visits to his website. People visiting his website might earn him some money through site traffic/ad revenue.

It's a common courtesy when you want to post someone's article.

 

[dimsum]

Ask yourself when the last time was you heard a positive story about the CAF?

Personally, I can’t recall one in years.

Oh, I'd say around May/June (maybe July?) when the CAF blew the whistle on treatment in Long Term Care homes. That's not even a year ago.

Or when the CAF went to dig out Newfoundland during the last big snowstorm.
Or any OP LENTUS mission, really.
Or any Search and Rescue-related articles (mind you it's generally not national news, just local to the areas those squadrons operate).

 

[mariomike]

Oh, I'd say around May/June (maybe July?) when the CAF blew the whistle on treatment in Long Term Care homes. That's not even a year ago.

Good for them. Some people I have known tried to "blow the whistle" for decades. The answer from higher up was always, "Don't make waves."

 

[rmc_wannabe]

Yeah, about all those fires and floods and, oh yeah, the whole COVID response thing in Quebec etc...

It's easy to join the dog pile. It's harder to call BS when the multitudes seem to be on the same bandwagon

What is the quote again? "You can build a thousand bridges in a life time, but you get 4 (and counting) GOFOs suspected of sexual misconduct...."

 

[Halifax Tar]

Liberals plan to wrap up committee probing Gen. Vance’s sexual misconduct allegation​

link

This is the good part.



Good luck on your retirement Mr Vance thanks for your service.

If you ever wanted to know how vapid and hollow the Government is this headline says everything.

 

[Jarnhamar]

If you ever wanted to know how vapid and hollow the Government is this headline says everything.

Beaverton seems to have grasped the situation.

Liberals shut down probe into sexual misconduct in the military after discovering they don’t care about sexual misconduct in the military​

Link

 

[ArmyRick]

No matter how you look at this whole mess, the Canadian Armed Forces on the whole has taken another hit on its public reputation.

Sad part is, I don't think its the Liberal Party of Canada that will bear the brunt of this public shaming, it will be the current serving members of the CAF. That is entirely unfair. When I was a soldier, I hated it when 1 dickbag in the platoon/company/battalion did something to embarrass the Unit or the CAF. It only takes one incident to rip apart the well earned reputation of the forces. And then the troops and sailors will go on serving honourably, slowly rebuilding the reputation again.

I very well remember what RSM Larry Surridge used to say "Honour is like a match, you only get to strike it once..."

Our senior leaders can damn well do better and MUST be held to an even higher standard than the rank and file. Believe me, thats not the perception with Canada right now.

 

[QV]

I think you overestimate how much the public cares about this or the CAF for that matter. Now that the Liberals have deemed this not worthy of further attention, the media will obediently follow suite and it will fade away. Only the CAF is acting as if workplace relationship drama doesn't happen practically everywhere all the time, which incidentally is why the public has a general (no pun) lack of care because it's nothing new or shocking. The Liberals have likely assessed this and are putting it to rest. Before I get jumped on - yes rape, any sexual assault, or any crime related to that is bad and if a case can be made out, it should be and would be, and furthermore inappropriate relationships in the work place are still inappropriate and I'm sure red chits abound for that behaviour too. All the tools and frameworks to deal with all of this already exists.

 

[SupersonicMax]

I hope Mercedes doesn't let it go and keeps pushing for answers.

 

[TCM621]

Good for them. Some people I have known tried to "blow the whistle" for decades. The answer from higher up was always, "Don't make waves."

Maybe if less Generals were getting their whistles blown, we wouldn't be in this mess.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Maybe if less Generals were getting their whistles blown, we wouldn't be in this mess.

 

[Loachman]

Hi Pikache

Sorry, i don't understand. Care to explain it to me

Post the URL along with the article (or a portion thereof), in this case Canada's Military Has Become A Shambles

 

[Loachman]

Spencer Fernando is rabidly anti Liberal Party. I’d take his writings with a grain of salt.

Like the Toronto Star is rabidly anti-Conservative/rabidly pro-Liberal?

No journalist is perfect. None of them understands everything about the subject of their journalism. They are generalists rather than specialists. All have biases, to greater or lesser degrees.

There is good reason why I read/watch a lot of independent media, including Spencer Fernando. They tend to cover topics ignored (sometimes intentionally) by mainstream media, will often dig deeper, and their analyses often prove to be more accurate - and they are not funded by governments.

 

[TCM621]

Like the Toronto Star is rabidly anti-Conservative/rabidly pro-Liberal?

No journalist is perfect. None of them understands everything about the subject of their journalism. They are generalists rather than specialists. All have biases, to greater or lesser degrees.

There is good reason why I read/watch a lot of independent media, including Spencer Fernando. They tend to cover topics ignored (sometimes intentionally) by mainstream media, will often dig deeper, and their analyses often prove to be more accurate - and they are not funded by governments.

The problem isn't that you need to take Fernando with a grain of salt but too many people don't take mainstream, or friendly, news sources with a grain of salt. I like to watch Rising on youtube which is a news program from the Hill, a Washington news site. The two hosts are clearly biased. One is a Female progressive who can rarely get through a segment without mentioning Bernie Sanders and the other is an Indian American man who is a conservatives populist (as opposed to a fiscal conservative). They wear their biases on their sleeves and generally acknowledge when their biases may be colouring their views. The best any journalist can do is try to minimize possible bias and be clear what is a fact and what is an opinion (and therefore potentially biased).

 

[mariomike]

Like the Toronto Star is rabidly anti-Conservative/rabidly pro-Liberal?

If you consider this "rabidly anti-Conservative/rabidly pro-Liberal."

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Overall, we rate the Toronto Star Left-Center biased based on editorial positions that favor the left and High for factual reporting due to proper sourcing.

Toronto Star - Media Bias Fact Check

LEFT-CENTER BIAS These media sources have a slight to moderate liberal bias. They often publish factual information that utilizes loaded words (wording that attempts to influence...

mediabiasfactcheck.com

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[mariomike]

Spencer Fernando is rabidly anti Liberal Party. I’d take his writings with a grain of salt.

All I know about Spencer is what I read on here.
Journeyman said,
"He claims to provide insight because he's.... insightful; nowhere does his site mention factual. Truth is valued by some folks more than others."

 

[Loachman]

So you have not read any of his articles, then.

 

[mariomike]

So you have not read any of his articles, then.

Just what gets posted on here.

 

[Brad Sallows]

If all one knows is what one reads in the news, it's difficult to know very much, or know it very accurately. (Look up Gell-Mann amnesia.)

The subset of all information which is the information posted here is very, very small.

Media bias checks have ceased to be meaningful, except to those living in bubbles isolated from the reporters' activism at the NYT and WaPo (most notable for their former reputations, but not the only ones), and the repeated inability of huge agencies to get simple stories correct or to admit egregious incompetence or bias when it happens (CBS is back in the news for being unable to do the news.)

We have regrettably reached the point at which bias/partisanship is so pronounced in the large media organizations that they can no longer be trusted on political and social matters; a prudent person must cross-examine everything by reading outside the "green box".