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we sent the Yankee armored chaps running?? That's something I've never heard 
of until today.
In any event, is it a necessity for us to have tanks? I think that we ought 
to lean more on wheeled vehicules for our purposes. Anyone got some input on 
this matter?
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>Grayson,
>
>The Brits and Yanks wanted us to send a tank division to the Gulf.  But 
>they didn't
>want Leopards, the Yanks offered to supply M1A1s for a tiny price, but we 
>refused.
>Why?  The political implications of buying kit not made in Canada.
>
>Here's another story that I heard tossed around.  Some American armoured 
>regement
>wanted some enemy force training against opponents with equal kit. ie. the 
>Abrams.
>They sent a few of their tanks up for a bunch of our guys to train on for 
>about a
>week.  So the Americans came up and the exercise was on, and guess what 
>happened.
>We sent them running with their tails between their legs!
>
>Our armoured corps is not obselete, nor is its role in the CF
>
>Mike
>
>Grayson McCready wrote:
>
> >  Hi
> >
> > I'm going to come in on the other side of the argument.  Canada has
> > demonstrated a lack of will to fight along side our allies in a serious
> > ground war. ( Gulf War)
> >
> > So new tanks would not be the best way to spend that money.  We seemed
> > happy to take on those roles that had a minimum of risk ( no disrespect 
>to
> > the sailors and aviators) so we should spend the money on updating the
> > equipment they will use, new Hercs seaborne Helicopters and widgets for
> > the CF-18s for example.
> >
> > The Americans and the Brits were happy to take on allies ( arabs) who 
>had
> > an equipment mix of similar vintage of our Leo/M113 team but for sure,
> > they didn't lead.
> >
> > By letting the Leos go without replacement we're just admitting what our
> > allies already know, Canada is not in the serious war fighting business
> >
> > Cheers
> > Grayson
> >
> >  On Tue, 29 Feb 2000, Patrick Cain wrote:
> >
> > > At 11:48 29/02/2021 -0500, John Gilmour wrote:
> > > >Sorry I meant to say that they do not need any new/latest generation 
>MBT's !
> > > >As infantry support the Leopard 1, with upgrades is quite sufficient 
>for
> > > >Canada's military role .
> > > >The likliehood of Canada going it alone in any sort of conflict is 
>zero we
> > > >would be paired up with heavy Armoured Formations of say the USA or 
>the UK.
> > >
> > > Canada's lack of a serious ground role in the Gulf would seem to 
>contradict
> > > that. Neither Britain or the United States want to get involved in 
>serious
> > > ground combat alongside allies with obsolete equipment.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Patrick Cain
> > >
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