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Another Recce Guy Armour Forum Moderator Member # 279	posted 12 June 2021 07:18
	Same old, same old. DEFENCE MINISTER REJECTS REPORTS THAT MILITARY IS CRITICALLY UNDERFUNDED Canada's new defence minister says the country's military has not been slashed to critical levels, as two studies released this week suggest. FULL STORY: http://cbc.ca/stories/2002/06/12/defence_report020612
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Sharpey Veteran Member # 636	posted 12 June 2021 07:40
	"A report published by the CD Howe Institute calls Canada a "freeloader" that sponges off its allies and ducks its responsibilities." From the article above. Wonderful image we have isn't it? CD Howe Institute? What the he** does a research institute know about us! What do they do, take their information from the papers?

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Harry Veteran Member # 181	posted 12 June 2021 11:23
	Put it in this context: As a democratic nation with a belief that our values should be emulated world wide, we have used the United Nations as our soap box, however, over the past ten years our credibility has diminished. Since 1991 (I will use the Gulf War as a benchmark) we have been systematically dismantling the military. We have essentially nulified our abilities in NATO, withdrawn or made a mockery of our service to the UN (not by troop performance, but in real abilities and actual responsibilities). This is where our credibility has been lost, the ability to support our convictions with a real presence on the ground. Most of our allies see what is happening, they know we can no longer hold our own, and in a lot of cases, are no longer willing to give us the benefit of the doubt nor humour us with inclusion. The UK refused to include us in Afganistan, but we begged the US to take us as a security element under their umbrella. None of our allies doubt the ability of the individual soldier, it is the weekness of the collective that they see and guage us by. UBIQUE

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RNW Recruit Member # 525	posted 12 June 2021 13:27
	It's a shame. With three regular brigades (essentially a division, no?) you would think we would be able to maintain commitments. Hopefully at some point Ottawa will start building again, but I suppose that will take a change in government.

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Sharpey Veteran Member # 636	posted 12 June 2021 16:55
	Harry, you put it very well. It's a shame that our Government is what makes us look like "freeloaders". Everybody knows the Canadian's are excellant Soldiers, Regs and Res. I always say, as do others, if Ottawa gave us the equipment, we would be one **** of an Army! Even though the Americans I've talked to seem to think our Ilti are "cool". Ummmm, yeahhh!

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Harry Veteran Member # 181	posted 12 June 2021 17:14
	It has never been the soldiering skills that are lacking. And for the individuals who like to go off on reservists , I have indicated several times that I am a proponent of reservists. My best friend was a reservists before he went reg. Top notch grunt, when he wanted to better himself, he was put down . He got out and is now a Dr. Personally, I think our abilities were seeded in the cadet program . That ought to get a couple BP's up. I had a bunch of reservists who worked for me in Germany, everyone of them did the same job and gave the same amount of drive (if not a little more) than my reg section members. I have always believed that if you give ANYBODY a chance, especially when they make mistakes-coupled with POSITIVE constructive criticism, they will accomplish whatever you ask of them. If you have set the bar low for anyone and fail to let them reach it, you are the failure. When I here of someone lambasting the abilities of a subordinate, I am of the mind set that there is something lacking in that persons fibre and leadership qualities. Regardless of the rants, rhetoric and retribution of us verse them , gauge not the experience of the individual, but the ability of the leader to teach and nurture. This has been a Harry moment, UBIQUE

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bossi Current Affairs Forum Moderator Member # 107	posted 12 June 2021 19:29
	So, what colour is the sky in the new MND's universe? He's been on the job what - a couple of days, maybe just over a week ... and suddenly he's smarter than the committee that spent months preparing their report? Well, as the sayings go: "a country gets the military it deserves", and the ever-popular "a country will always have an army - theirs, or somebody elses ...". In Canada's case, the appointment by the insufferably arrogant Papa Doc Chretien of a mealy-mouthed weasel as MND should have been sufficient warning of things to come ...

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Harry Veteran Member # 181	posted 12 June 2021 19:47
	Bossi, I love it, Papa Doc Chretien.

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Spanky Old Soldier Member # 420	posted 12 June 2021 20:51
	Hey Sharpie; The yanks I talked to about the Iltis used the term "cute"... not cool. They liked the size and silouhette though, with the roof off. They agreed it was good for recon.

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Harry Veteran Member # 181	posted 12 June 2021 23:04
	If anyone wants an Iltis, I can get you a deal on one.

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Michael Dorosh Grizzled Old Veteran Member # 63	posted 13 June 2021 01:51
	quote: Originally posted by Harry: If anyone wants an Iltis, I can get you a deal on one. If so, please email me at [email protected] A buddy in the regs in Edmonton is looking for one. Well, we are looking for one for him - I drive a 1949 Jeep and a friend has a US Army Humvee here in Calgary, so we would like to get buddy his own Iltis to join the club. Will look good next to our friend's ex US military 5 ton truck.

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Sharpey Veteran Member # 636	posted 13 June 2021 10:12
	Spanky, last time in Grailing, some Yanks asked me "Does that thing swim or just look cool?" I said "neither"...they just walked away!

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Zoomie Recruit Member # 818	posted 13 June 2021 16:39
	Go to www.iltis.ca to see about ordering your own Iltis. Unfortunately they are the German version. But they are in actual running condition and come pretty much complete. They sell for $12,000 CDN. The HUMVEE (army version) is not licensed to be civilian driven in the US, is that not true here in Canada?
	-------------------- Per Ardua Ad Astra
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Harry Veteran Member # 181	posted 13 June 2021 18:00
	Are you nuts, who in their right mind would pay $12, 000 for a surplus Iltis. I think my contacts can do a heck of a lot better than that. [ 13 June 2002, 18:06: Message edited by: Harry ]

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Zoomie Recruit Member # 818	posted 13 June 2021 20:33
	Not saying that I would buy one of them. If you find some surplus Canadian Iltis on the market (and NO, the ones at the local Armoury will not do) do let me know. I have been looking all over for one.
	-------------------- Per Ardua Ad Astra
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