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posted 05 January 2021 00:29     Profile for fusilier   Email fusilier     Send New Private Message     Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I've been in the reserve infantry for a little over two years now. I realize that I'm not exactly an expert, but I feel infantry QL3s are getting easier and easier. For instance on my QL3 we did not receive training on the Carl G 84mm or the C6. I have since gotten the training but through my unit. Also they are becoming less physically demanding. When my section comd did QL3, you had to do the 13km ruck march, with platoon weapons, then complete the obstacle course afterwards. We had to do the 13km on mine, but no obstacle course or platoon weapons. We barely had anything in our rucks either. I feel this training is not very effective, my back got used to these light loads. Eventually when I started training with my unit I found that the loads were substantially heavier. Then when I went to Goose Bay for a winter indoc I dislocated a disc in my back.
I worked as demo (enemy force) this summer for QL3 infantry. The first thing that really bugged me was that we were'nt allowed to attack the recruits between the hours of 0001-0600 during their final ex. During my final ex, we got bumped all night. What a joke. I thought to myself that this was'nt very realistic training. Everyone knows that the enemy is most likely to attack at night or at dusk or dawn.
Also it got on me that the course did'nt have to do a 13km ruck march at the end. Some platoons did'nt do any at all. Most did a 2 or 3km march. We did those every morning as PT on my course.


Is it just me or is the infantry training becoming easier and easier?


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posted 05 January 2021 01:34     Profile for Argyll 2347   Email Argyll 2347     Send New Private Message     Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I wish, i want it to be for when I join
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posted 11 January 2021 17:03     Profile for Honi soit qui mal y pense   Email Honi soit qui mal y pense     Send New Private Message     Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Argyll,

I hope that you mean you want it to be challenging when you join. The last thing the army needs is people who want easy training. In case you haven't figured it out yet, the most memorable and rewarding experiences you will get in the military will be the times where you are pushed completely to the wall. If you can look back on your training after two or three weeks/months/years and say, "I can't believe I did that," consider yourself lucky.


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posted 13 January 2021 03:05     Profile for Pte. Silcox   Email Pte. Silcox     Send New Private Message     Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
yeah

Argy, it's more fun when you do hard stuff, i mean, just going that last 30 seconds after hours of physically exhausting your muscles and mind is cool, especially when you look back at it.

but i know what you mean, because really, i'm thinkin that my QL2/3 course will be like GI Jane or Full Metal Jacket, and we don't want to do all that stuff

but will..

why? just cause =)

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posted 15 January 2021 23:07     Profile for fusilier   Email fusilier     Send New Private Message     Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Travis
If you think your QL3 infantry is going to be anything like GI Jane or Full Metal Jacket, I'm sorry but you've been misinformed. GI Jane was Navy SEAL training, which does'nt compare to reserve infantry training at all. Full Metal Jacket's boot camp was during Vietnam, considerably different than reserve infantry training.
Yes, your QL3 will be hard, but if you want it easy, the infantry is not for you. You seem pretty gung ho about it though, that's good to a point. Prepare yourself, physically and mentally. It may only be reserve training but it still is quite a gruelling course. The infantry is among if not the most physically and mentally demanding trades in the Forces. You'll either love it or hate it, and you won't know which until you start.

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posted 20 January 2021 00:56     Profile for achilles   Email achilles     Send New Private Message     Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote

No he is correct the Ql3 has been getting tremedously easier. When i took it about 5 years ago to go to University they were not allowed to run us in combat boots, if you can believe that. We did the karl G, the C6 and some mines too. But they were not allowed to use PT as a punishment or a motivator. It was getting horrible when i left the reserves. With all of their stupid sharp training and Army 2000 bs. Its going to be just like it was before WW1. The military is going to be undertrained and understaffed and people are going to die. Its tragic because it is completely preventable. Or we are going to become completely dependent on our neighbours to the south and thats worse.


Dileas Gu Bas!


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posted 20 January 2021 03:27     Profile for Michael Dorosh   Author's Homepage   Email Michael Dorosh     Send New Private Message     Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Achilles, no offence, but if you aren't part of the solution, you're part of the problem. Quitting because you had to take SHARP training doesn't garner you much sympathy in my books. How unfortunate that you had to sit through (for full pay, no less) three entire hours of what it means to have respect for others. Perhaps you can write your MP and ask to get those three hours of your life back. Was your time really that poorly spent?

My hat is off to all the guys who continue to stick it out and remain positive, even if they don't agree with what is going on around them. They are the ones making positive changes for the benefit of all. How? By being there and doing their jobs as best they can, and encouraging others to do the same.

But I guess it's easier to be a quitter and complain anonymously on a message board than to actually work to achieve positive change.


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posted 20 January 2021 22:02     Profile for fusilier   Email fusilier     Send New Private Message     Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Don't get me wrong, I still the love the reserves and the infantry. The problems are with the troops at all, it's the higher-ups. The government officials at DND are more concerned about money and cutting our budget than the neglected training. All you Reservists should know how I feel, those of you that have gone on ex with limited or no blanks, no pyro, and obselete equipment. But we keep going on. Let's face it, Joe Public does'nt have a very good image of the Forces either, you can tell that by the number of recruits we get. The average voter is more concerned about health care than defence spending, and the politicians go crazy when we spend money on new equipment. Money, money, money makes the world go round and the Forces don't get enough of it. I think that if the public had a better idea of how neglected our training becomes due to DND budget cuts, they'd be upset and demand that our budget be increased. Also if the budget were increased and new state of the art equipment acquired, we would'nt have a problem getting recruits. Most people would rather join a high tech state of the art military than one who can barely keep their committments to NATO. We need a little more money to boost the military, especially the Reserves. It would boost morale and recruiting. But the possibility of this happening is slim to nil, and until then we Reservists will soldier on, despite our hardships.

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posted 20 January 2021 23:45     Profile for Michael Dorosh   Author's Homepage   Email Michael Dorosh     Send New Private Message     Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Throwing money is never a solution. People do not refuse to join the military because it is low tech (it's not, by the way - the LAV III is cutting edge, our frigates were rated the best in the world when they came out not too long ago, the new clothing is first rate, etc., etc.) it's because the military is not seen as relevant. The economy is good and we are not in any direct danger. Do you really think the addition of a fleet of HUMVs would have recruits pouring into the armouries?

I appreciate the sentiments of soldiering on - exactly what we are paid to do. Keep your positive attitude, dude, and we will all be better for it. As for increasing the size of the reserves - we are doing that as I type this. I manned a recruiting stand today and understand that many positive changes are in the works - including a new five year plan that will increase the size of the Forces. The rumours of disbandments have mostly been dispelled.

Is everything perfect? Take a look at those sad-ass LSVWs rusting away in the local vehicle park for your answer to that. But blaming certain types of equipment that are really irrelevant to training in a direct way (in the end, infantry can train with or without trucks - they certainly don't fight from them in any event) for a lack of recruiting is just plain silly.

Do we really need even more incentives? If the good pay, decent benefits, flexible hours, and privilege of wearing Her Majesty's uniform isn't doing it for people, a couple of new trucks or sniper rifles isn't going to do it either.


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posted 21 January 2021 00:44     Profile for fusilier   Email fusilier     Send New Private Message     Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Good points. I agree with you, I just get a little frustrated at times. I consider the honour of wearing her Majesty's uniform and defending the greatest country in the world pay enough for serving. But you must agree that we do pretty well with what we have, and although we have some very hightech equipment, we are still seriously underfunded.

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posted 21 January 2021 19:59     Profile for Michael Dorosh   Author's Homepage   Email Michael Dorosh     Send New Private Message     Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Before RCA kicks my ass, I better add that we do need trucks to tow his guns!

I think we are all frustrated, and of course it would be nice to have top of the line stuff across the board. In some areas we do - I may have been trying to hard to make a point when I said trucks were irrelevant to training in a direct way, but you obviously get the gist - do the best with what we have.

If the public and the government don't realize that that is exactly what the Canadian Army has been doing for over 100 years, I don't see when they are EVER going to clue in!

Pretty scary thread in Current Affairs about not spending on new trucks for at least six years. I have no idea what the solution is, I do know that quitting won't do anybody any good. As long as people like you and I consider wearing the uniform an honour, there is still hope.


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posted 22 January 2021 00:43     Profile for Mud Crawler   Email Mud Crawler     Send New Private Message     Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I talked about that with a family member of one of my friends who works in the upper sphere of CBC
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maybe it will get somewhere, maybe not
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