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the patriot
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posted 27 January 2021 11:45     Profile for the patriot   Email the patriot     Send New Private Message     Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hello All,

Knowing how over zealous our bureaucrats in Ottawa are, does anyone foresee the day that we will have our regimental system stripped from the infantry in favour of a generic "no-name brand" system to indicate our units? For example, instead of 1 RCR, 2 RCR, and 1 PPCLI, 2 PPCLI. We would have 1 CAI (Canadian Army Infantry), 2 CAI, 3 CAI, and 4 CAI. As rediculous as this seems, things seem to moving more towards the Americanization of the Canadian Army.

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JRMACDONALD
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posted 27 January 2021 19:00     Profile for JRMACDONALD   Email JRMACDONALD     Send New Private Message     Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
This is an old "trial Ballon" that has been aboutfor at least, 25-30 years. Given that the current deployment of troops is based on Btl Grp/ Cbt TM, it makes sense. Again, more politically driven expediency rather than military driven effectiveness being bandied about.
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posted 28 January 2021 12:52     Profile for McG   Email McG     Send New Private Message     Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
The funny thing on this topic is, i recall an American telling me how they were naming their div's and Bde's after famous generals, in an attempt to make their system more regimental. The hope was to foster a regimental family within each Bde. perhapse some one out there knows how this experiment is working for them?
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posted 29 January 2021 02:21     Profile for Michael Dorosh   Author's Homepage   Email Michael Dorosh     Send New Private Message     Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Is this not what the Aussies have done? I can't get a straight answer from anyone on whether they have or haven't - not even from their official Army website.
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posted 29 January 2021 10:24     Profile for RCA     Send New Private Message     Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Asd far as I know the Aussies never had named regiments, just numbered battalions of number regiments ie 6/5 Ausralian Regiment. .

As to going to generic infantry (and I assume armoured) Regiments and I can't see it. It is not cost effective and by changing you are not gaining anything. Besides that, those that try we eventually give up as they will find it not worth the hassle.

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posted 29 January 2021 21:57     Profile for Michael Dorosh   Author's Homepage   Email Michael Dorosh     Send New Private Message     Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by RCA:
Asd far as I know the Aussies never had named regiments, just numbered battalions of number regiments ie 6/5 Ausralian Regiment. .


?????????????

When I was on loan to the Scottish Division in 1990, I served alongside men from the Royal New South Wales Regiment (RNSWR), The Royal Queensland Regiment, the Royal South Australia Regiment, the Royal Victoria Regiment, and the Royal Western Australia Regiment and I believe the Royal Australian Regiment (RAR). I believe the RAR was regular and the others were territorial but I could be wrong.

The Byron Scottish at one time were affiliated with the Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders.

I have never heard of such a thing as "The Australia Regiment."

My question still stands - when did the Aussies change from the regimental system - or have they?


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posted 29 January 2021 23:05     Profile for McG   Email McG     Send New Private Message     Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
The Aussies still have a regimental system. I remembered that the PPCLI had an affiliation w/the RAR. If you look up the PPCLI website and follow the history link it will take you to were you can look up the RAR. They still exsist.
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posted 29 January 2021 23:20     Profile for McG   Email McG     Send New Private Message     Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
The Foreign military links on this site also point to a few Australian regiments.
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posted 29 January 2021 23:32     Profile for Michael Dorosh   Author's Homepage   Email Michael Dorosh     Send New Private Message     Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
This is what I am trying to say - I thought the Aussies now have a system where the only regiment they have is the Royal Australian Regiment. There are exactly three links on the foreign units page - one for indigenous Australian units which I couldn't open, one for the Australian Army which didn't seem to have info on regiments, and one for an armoured regiment which would be irrelevant to the discussion.

Quite vexing!


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posted 29 January 2021 23:39     Profile for Michael Dorosh   Author's Homepage   Email Michael Dorosh     Send New Private Message     Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote

Tried a couple of links from the 10th Light Horse page - neither one worked. One for the Austrailian Land Command site (sounded promising, sigh) and one for "49th Battalion, Royal Queensland Regiment"

I suspect even more strongly now that the RAR is the regular force component and quite probable that the territorials still have titles like RQR, above. It wouldn't be much different from us having only three regular regiments, and dozens of militia ones.

If anyone runs across anything definite, I would love to hear about it.


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posted 30 January 2021 00:08     Profile for McG   Email McG     Send New Private Message     Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
http://regiments.org/milhist/australia/aargts.htm
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posted 30 January 2021 01:44     Profile for Michael Dorosh   Author's Homepage   Email Michael Dorosh     Send New Private Message     Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by McG:
http://regiments.org/milhist/australia/aargts.htm

Sheesh, why didn' t I think of that? Good work - and thanks!


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posted 05 February 2021 10:24     Profile for Yard Ape   Email Yard Ape     Send New Private Message     Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Don't worry all. Politics will actually save us here.

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