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Coniar Recruit Member # 810 posted 07 May 2021 20:33           I have heard many different things in different places and I cant seem to get it straight. Where is the Canadian Army and the Armour in general headed say 10 years down the road? up, down, not moving? I know no one knows for sure but what do you think a new MBT or all wheeled more attention and funding from the goverment? or is it just going down from here and theres no way to fix it? A curious Coniar -------------------- Records are there to be broken... Rate Member Posts: 25 | From: Vancover | Registered: Apr 2002

Zoomie Recruit Member # 818 posted 08 May 2021 01:17           My two cents worth say that the MBT is a thing of the past. Once the Leo C2 outlives its operational lifetime (say the year 2090) that will be the end of the any tracked vehicles in the CF. Take the M-109 (SPG) for example, once the artillery has used and abused them to their max, that's it for them. I see the future of the Corps going all wheeled. The concept of ACVs and battlefield survivabilty ethos should <hopefully> eliminate the need of 60 ton behemoths. Since the politicians are ultimately the purse holders, and they ALL believe that the CF is a peacekeeping force foremost, these is NO way that they will pass an expenditure for a war monging machine such as a Main Battle Tank. Technology, not brute strength, will be the edge over future mechanized battlefields. So you better get that engineering degree, because you will need it to be able to run the complex systems that you will discover. -out- -------------------- Per Ardua Ad Astra Rate Member Posts: 10 | From: Moose Jaw | Registered: May 2002

recceguy Off Topic Forum Moderator Member # 256 posted 08 May 2021 05:44           Conair, There's plenty of discussion on this subject in previous threads in the Armoured forum, check there for opinions. Member Rated: Posts: 274 | From: Ontario | Registered: Apr 2001

Another Recce Guy Armour Forum Moderator Member # 279 posted 08 May 2021 06:43             I was talking to someone this past weekend who mentioned that the army, during its reorganization, will mass the tanks out west creating a heavy brigade there. In LFCA there will be a medium brigade and a light one in Quebec. -------------------- A.R.G. Member Rated: Posts: 116 | From: Windsor, Ontario | Registered: Apr 2001

Coniar Recruit Member # 810 posted 08 May 2021 23:22           I dug up a few old topics and read through them they certainly clarrified a few things but they all dealt with the same subject overall no money no MBT just LAVW. Any year now there could be a change in Gov. and I didnt find any topics dealing with that side of the story how do we know the CF wont get a decent budget increase to upgrade them to the defence force there supose to be and not the peackeepers that is the side job. I dont want to know what would happen if the Liberals keep everything the same Im not blind I know what will happen but I dont see what will happen if theres space for tanks. Are they till an option for the CF if there is money or is the way of the future the way of the LAVW??? An interested Coniar -------------------- Records are there to be broken... Rate Member Posts: 25 | From: Vancover | Registered: Apr 2002

Nfld_Sapper Recruit Member # 293 posted 08 May 2021 23:44           I know that this is an armoured fourm but if armored goes wheeled I guess that would also mean that the engineers would too. But my main concern is that is we go wheeled we will loose our only assualt bridging capability (i.e. the Beaver Bridge layer). I can't see a bridge layer being made out of the LAV III chasis. I know that wheeled is more "environmentally" friendly but tracked can definetly go further in country than wheeled. I think Rate Member Posts: 16 | From: St. John's, Newfoundland, Canada | Registered: May 2001

Harry Veteran Member # 181 posted 09 May 2021 01:31           We have bantered about this for some time??? The writing is on the wall, if you didn't read the Jeffries release do so. It is a politicaly correct CYA for the next ten years. In other words, if no new money shows up, they are on the mark and as the kit absolutely rusts out for good, that's it. Pipers up. March out the old. Member Rated: Posts: 114 | From: UBIQUE | Registered: Feb 2001

rceme_rat Grizzled Old Veteran Member # 136 posted 09 May 2021 11:34           Not to say that the Beaver would disappear just because the Leopard does. If the capability must be maintained, and if there is only one way of doing it, then there really is no choice but to keep it. Member Rated: Posts: 220 | From: Toronto, Ontario | Registered: Jan 2001

Coniar Recruit Member # 810 posted 09 May 2021 20:33           Or spend a few billion on a jumbo jet that can land lay a bridge in minutes and take off, an utterly usless contraption. Sounds almost like the fast ferrys that the Gov. made back hear, spend tons of money on something that supposedly fixes a system that works fine anyhow and then find the new way dosent even fit in the waterways up hear... Is it just me or do elected officaial have trouble with the concept of "If it aint broke dont fix it" Coniar -------------------- Records are there to be broken... Rate Member Posts: 25 | From: Vancover | Registered: Apr 2002

Recce41 Veteran Member # 415 posted 09 May 2021 21:26           ARG Yes the Tanks are going West, But the Light Bge will be in Petawawa, Med will be in Valcartier. There will be only two Sqns per Regt, and one HQ Sqn. The third and forth will be gone, 60 is gone, Recce is down from 7 Cars to a 5 Car troop. Tanks are going to a 3 tps of 4 tanks or 4 tps of 3. The School it growing to fill over maned Regts. Thats why I'm getting off the ship it's sinking and going a lil east, where it real and no, kiddie games happen. The Armour Corp may soon be as the CAV, gone but not forgotten. Sgt J CD,CDS com Member Rated: Posts: 123 | From: Ottawa | Registered: Jul 2001

Coniar Recruit Member # 810 posted 10 May 2021 00:17           Yes but cavalry are gone because something better came along, something with a freaking big gun and a whole lot of armour. Tanks are going to be cut out mostly as far as I can see if things continue like this but im fairly sure we havent invented faster than light hover vechles with a force shield to replace tanks with yet. Wich as far as I can see will leave a big gaping whole in the side of the CF. Think about it no tanks no anti-tank weapons for the enemy but we still have to lug around tow's and such to blow enemy tanks up with this creates a tactical problem. The gov. is assuming that we will only have to act as a recc. and peace keeping force for the U.N. If we ever get into any kind of war minor or not and no one is along to help us then we are in huge trouble, keeping tanks wont fix everything but it would help and if by 2020 there arnt any tank like vechles around then we could just stick a big sign above the Parliment biuldings saying "invade here!" an army has to be complete with all pices if it is to be a national defense force without MBT's where not complete and the hole in the side of our defense network becomes a lot bigger. Its like the aircraft carrier in the navy and the bomber in the Air force we dont have any and its a problem. Not know mabey not in ten years but if we leave it this way there wont be a Canada if where not carefull. Anyhow I am wondering if we know what regiments/bge will be disbanded or if any will If tanks are being massed out west then I assume that Lord Strathconas Horse will be the the regiment they go to. But are there going to be disbanded regiments as the Bge are formed or will everyone just shuffle veichles around??? Thnx!!! Coniar -------------------- Records are there to be broken... Rate Member Posts: 25 | From: Vancover | Registered: Apr 2002

rceme_rat Grizzled Old Veteran Member # 136 posted 10 May 2021 01:19           While it is likely that the MBT will eventually disappear, I doubt direct support will. Take a look at the variants of the Stryker available from GM Defense. One sports a 105 tank gun. This would seem to be a good possibility for the way our force is shaping up and is far more likely to be politically and financially acceptable. Member Rated: Posts: 220 | From: Toronto, Ontario | Registered: Jan 2001

Bedpan Elemental Old Soldier Member # 456 posted 10 May 2021 12:34           Politically acceptable... I cringe whenever I hear that phrase. Member Rated: Posts: 67 | From: Waterloo, Ontario | Registered: Aug 2001

rceme_rat Grizzled Old Veteran Member # 136 posted 10 May 2021 20:40           "Politically acceptable" is used here in the sense that the structure and outfitting of the military will not represent the pipe dreams of soldiers who would like to prepare for WW III, but will be limited to what the public (through its elected officials) is willing to support financially. In short, we must accept the reality of our time which is that the public accepts our limited military budget and the concept of a low to medium intensity combat force. Member Rated: Posts: 220 | From: Toronto, Ontario | Registered: Jan 2001

Recce41 Veteran Member # 415 posted 10 May 2021 22:05           The Armour Corp will be set up as follows RCD 1xRHQ 2XRecce Surv Sqn 1X HQ Sqn LDSH 1xRHQ 1XRecce Surv Sqn 1XTank Sqn 1XHQ Sqn 12RBC same as RCD ArmourSchool no change but will grow until people retire TrainingCntre West in Aberta Bges will not change, LIBs 80% will stay Res may be the filler stock. SgtJ CD<CDS com -------------------- Sgt J Canadian Decoration,Chief of Defence Staff Commandation Bold and swift/Airborne Member Rated: Posts: 123 | From: Ottawa | Registered: Jul 2001

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