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the patriot
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posted 31 October 2021 22:43      Profile for the patriot   Author's Homepage   Email the patriot   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I've come accross a website of that of the Black Arts Society. This would be a great opportunity to get your units some well deserved enrichment training while at the same time sharpen their close quarters fighting skills. You can contact their Grand Master Gus Michalik for any consultations and classes. He can be reached at the following website:

www.black-arts-society.com

-the patriot-


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posted 24 June 2021 20:44      Profile for the patriot   Author's Homepage   Email the patriot   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
And to reach these people even faster, I've provided a direct link below to the Black Arts Society website!!!!

Black Arts Society [Skull]

-the patriot- [Canadian]


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posted 24 June 2021 22:31      Profile for Infanteer        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Naa...If you were close enough to the enemy to even think about pulling some kung-fu chop or karate kick, he would already have his bayonet in your belly.
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I have to say that I am mighty suspicious of aynone who throws around titles and ranks like this guy does. He claims black belts in 4 different arts, not counting 10th dan in his own style. But with the exception of one, they are all from something called the 'International Jidokwan Federation' which seems to be primarily a Taekwondo school with Hapkido elements. I bet that this is one of those organizations that flourishes by giving away high ranks to anyone who impresses them.

I see no indication of what makes this a 'military' martial art. Other than that Mr. Michalik used to train with his buddies in 1RCR, and wears a funky DPM gi jacket...

This is just a guy trying to make a buck. Nothing wrong with that, I guess, but beware the hype. I doubt he teaches anything you wouldn't get at any generic TKD school.


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posted 26 June 2021 13:38      Profile for Pte. Pacholuk   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I just looked through the Black arts website and, after you clear away all the crap, they are no different then any other martial arts organization that focuses on combat not sport. By "crap" I mean
all the: there is no better fighting art then the one we teach, You learn from us no one can touch you etc. As well as wearing combats, trying to put a military twist on it to attract the public.

You have to remember, lots of these people are only after.....thats right, MONEY. I've seen people who aren't quite a black belt or don't have an instroctors certificate go out, buy a black belt, make up certifcates and open a school. And they make a lot of money. In a small town a dojo might have anywhere up 75, 80 students each paying 50- 80 dollars a month, often as well as grading fees, seminar fees, workshop fees, and some "instructors" sell the weapons, uniforms etc at a much higher then that wich they originally paid for.

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posted 26 June 2021 18:49      Profile for the patriot   Author's Homepage   Email the patriot   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
His institution is highly respected. He started the program with the help of retired Warrant Officer B.J. McLean of 1 RCR, who also did time with 3 Commando. Mr. Michalik has also trained the Burlington police department. And by the way Bloggins, he also has trained the troops up in CFB Petawawa (for those that need further clarification, that would be 1 RCR, 3 RCR, RCD). Before you make a snap judgement, why don't you invite the man to your unit. Let's see if you can take him on...... You'd be quite surprised at what a man "throwing around titles" can do to the most cocky soldier on the parade square.

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posted 26 June 2021 19:29      Profile for centurion     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
patriot-

Sounds like you know a great deal about this gentleman. Would he be a personal aquaintance? If so, I guess you didn't "Just come upon his website". You wouldn't be soliciting business on this forum for a friend, would you?


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posted 26 June 2021 19:37      Profile for recceguy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Sorry if I'm wrong patriot, but that's the way it reads to me also.
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posted 27 June 2021 01:01      Profile for Pte. Pacholuk   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The fact that this guy has "trained" police units doesn't mean anything unless he was a combat instructor for that unit. Lots of police units bring in boxers or martial artists to teach a seminar. Then they take anything of value and keep it. If you read a martial arts mag you'll find ads that they say they trained this police unit or that army unit. I've actually checked a few and all they did was teach a seminar.
Your comment about him being able to take out the most cocky of any soldier on the parade square is irrellevent. I know quite a few martail artists who could take out most common soldiers on a parade square, in a controlled enviroment, on flat terrain, one on one.

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posted 27 June 2021 09:26      Profile for Bloggins   Email Bloggins   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Snap judgement? Me?

I just love how discussions like this always come down to: 'Yeah, you might not respect him, but he can still kick your *** !'

I gotta go with Pte. Pacholuk on this one. When GM Michalik is wiping the parade square with me, what is he proving? (Oh, and does he know that you're making that offer on his behalf?) Whose rules are we using? Judo rules? WTF rules? UFC rules? And which of those demonstrates that his stuff works on the battlefield?

My beef with the guy is twofold. First, he claims that he is teaching 'Military Unarmed Combat' among other things. But when you dig down in the site, that seems to actually mean pressure points. Anybody here get pressure point training through the CF? Would you seriously try to do a pressure point move on a guy wearing his full kit, potentially including a thick and heavy combat jacket, not to mention body armour? I sure hope not.

Second, you're trusting your instructor to give you skills that will let you walk away from a fight more or less intact. Do you really think you can trust him to do that if he is dressing up his qualifications with certificates from the martial arts equivalent of a degree mill?

Patriot, I bet this GM Michalik is actually a good guy, with some interesting things to teach. If he would just bill himself as what I surmise he is - a self defence teacher with a military background - I would have no problem with what he's selling.

But I'll tell you what. Post up the location and hours of his school in London. I have to go there in July anyways. I'll go have a look-see, and if what he teaches really is relevant as 'military unarmed combat' I will gladly eat my words right on this board. How about it?


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You'd be quite surprised at what a man "throwing around titles" can do to the most cocky soldier on the parade square

If he made the 300 yards under the barrel of my C-7. I think the above posts pretty made it clear that all the martial arts in the world are useless on the battlefield. Instead of having this guy come in and teach me some neat kick or throw, I would rather spend the night on a mortar refresher, or going over a nav exercise...skills that I REALLY need to stay alive.

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posted 27 June 2021 22:10      Profile for the patriot   Author's Homepage   Email the patriot   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Solicting business?! As I said, this gentleman can be invited to your unit for enrichment training. It's funny how individuals on this forum love to tear down those who bring resources to this site to make their units better. Mr. Michalik has worked with regular force troops who do their job on a daily basis, compared to reservists that think they are all that!!! It is called "Military Unarmed Combat" with the objective being known that this obviously is being done in close quarters situations. I would rather have someone in my trench who has this under their belt when all hell broke loose, and the fighting came down to bayonet and hand to hand. By the way Pte. Pacholuk. Why not spar with GM Michalik for a few rounds?! I'm sure that many of your martial artist friends would like to meet Mr. Michalik. That would be highly relevant in close quarters situations where your life would be at stake.

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posted 27 June 2021 23:28      Profile for Infanteer        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Patriot, I believe the good Warrent has already called you on your authority on all things military.
You should probably stick to moderating internet threads.
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I would rather have someone in my trench who has this under their belt when all hell broke loose, and the fighting came down to bayonet and hand to hand.

Have you ever been in a trench? In my opinion, Private Pacholuk made a pretty good evaluation of the utility of martial-arts in a trench, loaded down with kit. Attacking or defending a trench, the position of two opponents does not lend itself to throws or grapples. I would use a rock, and I don't need no 9th-dan super killer to teach me how to bash in a skull.
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Mr. Michalik has worked with regular force troops who do their job on a daily basis, compared to reservists that think they are all that!!!

Tell that to my 11 buddies who just got back from Bosnia. When the call comes down, we reservists can do the job. I know some of the NCO's in my Regiment were back in Croatia when the **** went down. They have seen the green elephant and I bet they would love to debate that statement with you in person.
Why don't you quit talking out of your *** until you show those bona fides.

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posted 28 June 2021 00:27      Profile for Pte. Pacholuk   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
First off I'm not disagreeing with you , Patriot, on the value of having good, solid unarmed combat skills. In an actual combat situation it is possible that a soldier might be put in a situation where he is unarmed and in close quarters with the enemy. Obviously having such skill would give you a better chance of survival and of completing your task then if you did not have any skill. (Of course, if you are in a situation like that you're most likely dead)However, we could all do with a little extra unarmed combat training, you never know for certain what you'll be facing.

What I am saying is that unless this guy teaches some sort of advanced bayonet course he's most likely not going to give you any kind of special training that you couldn't get from any other martial arts school worth it's name. I don't know why you keep throwing in the fact that you think he can kick everyones @$$. You should remember that there is always someone faster, stronger, BETTER.
Your comments about him being able to beat any soldier on a parade square is also a foolish remark. I know a lot of soldiers who are very experianced and skilled at martial arts, who've been doing it all thier life. If your "friend" were to issue a general challenge at most parade squares he would probably find quite a few surprises.

I also agree with Bloggins. He should advertise himself without adding gimmicks to attract the public. If he does, in fact have a good school it WILL attract business by turning out skilled and competent students.

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