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the patriot
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posted 26 January 2021 22:42     Profile for the patriot   Author's Homepage   Email the patriot     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I pray that this will never happen. Read on..
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Wednesday 24 January 2021

Forces adviser predicts merger with U.S. military

Burgeoning debt will force profound changes, report concludes

David Pugliese
The Ottawa Citizen

Increasing government costs and public pressure to save money could force the merger of the Canadian and the U.S. militaries in the future, predicts a top Canadian Forces adviser.

Col. Howard Marsh, who advises the head of the Canadian Army, says that the amalgamation of the two militaries could come about around 2020 as North America's society and economy undergo unprecedented changes.

In an essay on future challenges facing military commanders and in an interview with the Citizen, the colonel outlined what he predicts will be a radically altered Canada:

In the next two decades the overall public debt will increase to $2 trillion. Large numbers of retirees will put financial pressure on the social safety net, forcing government to look for new ways to save money. A North American trading bloc will likely adopt the U.S. dollar as its currency. Soldiers will be in short supply as the battle for skilled workers increases. Military training centres and institutions such as the Royal Military College in Kingston could be shut down as soldiers' professional development is contracted out.

"With the realization that training, possibly doctrine, and command support are no longer germane to the (Canadian Forces) and that most of Canada's military capability is interoperable with the U.S.A., public discussion on amalgamating the two nations' armed forces is initiated," Col. Marsh predicts in the essay to be published in June in a Department of National Defence book.

Col. Marsh, 54, emphasizes that the merger prediction is "just one possible scenario," but he also warns that expected widespread changes will affect not only the military but Canada's public service, health care, social and pension plan systems.

"I look at the change likely to come upon us and I'm led to believe we won't be able to make it, which would probably force government or the public to ask questions about government structure or a different way of looking after the Canadian Forces," he said in an interview.

Col. Marsh believes that for the next decade the Canadian military will continue pretty much as it has in the past several years.

But he notes that because of future financial pressures caused by the country's accumulated debt, "there is a day of reckoning coming."

Among Col. Marsh's duties as Land Force Command Inspector is the job of examining emerging issues and trends. But he acknowledged that his writings, which in the past have warned about future military recruiting and financial problems, have a tendency to raise eyebrows among senior Canadian Forces leaders because of their sometimes controversial nature. That's something he accepts as part of the job.

Another concern outlined in Col. Marsh's essay is the failure of the Canadian Forces to produce officers capable of examining long-range strategic issues. The Canadian Forces, he notes, excels at producing leaders who are good at tactical, short-term thinking.

But when they reach the rank of general they are expected to switch almost overnight to handling long-range issues affecting the Canadian Forces.

"At the strategic level you have to think five or 10 years ahead.

"You are thinking globally and you're having to deal with social issues, political issues, and that's part of our problem," said Col. Marsh.

At the same time, the military's promotion system penalizes lower-level officers who don't conform to the short-term thinking. One army major told Col. Marsh he was leaving the Canadian Forces because his promotion chances were halted when he tried to examine issues beyond day-to-day military operations.

"He said, 'I've been told to stop thinking because I'm upsetting the people around me,' " according to Col. Marsh. "Can you imagine being told you're not being promoted this year because you're thinking too much?"

That officer has since done extremely well in private industry, Col. Marsh added.

The colonel's other concern is the emergence of what he calls the commercial-military ethos: the effect on the Canadian Forces of such programs as Alternative Service Delivery that contract out military jobs to private industry.

Soldiers serve because of loyalty to the institution and their comrades, he notes, and there is an unspoken soldiers' covenant that they will take care of each other in combat or if they are injured. The concern is that alternative service delivery could somehow weaken that system.

Col. Marsh wonders, for instance, how will private industry transport drivers hired for a Canadian Forces overseas mission react if the mission quickly deteriorates into war? "By and large we are at peace, so we haven't had the experience yet of a unit fighting its way out of a bad spot with ASD drivers and mechanics," said Col. Marsh. "Will the transport drivers be willing to sacrifice their lives to extract the soldiers?

"If we ever undo that soldier-to-soldier covenant, that becomes really bad for us," he added.
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posted 26 January 2021 23:10     Profile for JRMACDONALD   Author's Homepage   Email JRMACDONALD     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
We are already well down that trail. It seems to me the Officer to soldier covenant has already unraveled.
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Thank the lord we still have Howie Marsh, he calls it as it is. For you cynics out there, and those who have questioned my comments. Here it is. Pretty much everything he has stated since becoming the LFCI has happened or is evolving.

Take it or leave it. I know when I come to play in this puddle that I have researched my UFI, some of the other respondents with whom I have bantered, have there thoughts, so be it. If wrong, I will concede, however, for those with the ostrich prognosis, get in or get out, it is coming down.

This will be the start of the Puzzle Palace on the Rideau damage control, and yes, in the past week the Mo (Baril) show is obviously getting off to a less than glorious start.

Waiting for reply, over


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i think that the reality that co. marsh is talking about is in his head, im trying to avoid eny bad words here,but do you think that a canadian soldier having spent 10 to 20 years in service to this great country we all call home would stand fore that? that is an officer thinking he knows everything, of cours not all offficers are the same.i am shocked and disapointed and sad to hear this come from fellow soldier a canadian of all people,its like being a traiter there is no other words i can think of write now. i also woar the queens uniforme and i would have died for this country. its people like that that screw up the moral of the troops, i dont care how much info that dnd thinks the members are exposed to because a good percentage is all bull shit ubique

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posted 13 February 2021 12:01     Profile for bossi   Author's Homepage   Email bossi     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Whoa, whoa ...

Methinks it's entirely possible Col Marsh is simply playing "the devil's advocate", and warning what COULD happen (unless lethargy and apathy are overcome).

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Whoa on the whoa,

Me thinks Marsh is a little more connected than between his ears and attempts at sensationalism. He is a little too close to the tightly wound springs of the clock that keeps the institution clicking to be a loose or unwound hand. I think maybe we should watch this puppy and see whether it turns into a pit bull or a lap dog.


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posted 14 February 2021 11:37     Profile for JRMACDONALD   Author's Homepage   Email JRMACDONALD     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Does everyone understand the phrase"trial balloon"? Does anyone really think a Col. would release his "personal" musings, officially, without it being approved , by someone higher? Let s see how long it is before he makes General.

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posted 14 February 2021 11:59     Profile for bossi   Author's Homepage   Email bossi     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
On the other hand, rumour has it that Col Marsh is due to retire this summer ... so perhaps this is his swan song?

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If this merger happens, I'm going to have to go to the UK. I will NEVER serve under the US!!!

Albainn Gu-Brath

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Col. Marsh makes some radical statements, however he does make a point. Perhaps he is using scare tactics for the gov't to pay more attention to the military.

In all fairness, I personally don't like the idea, but as said before, he's probably just playing the Devils Advocate.

And Argyl, why are you so upset about serving under the U.S. ? what has the U.S. done to you to make you so agitated towards them? Biology says were the same, and our cousins to the south would help us if someone tried to invade.

don't worry, this will never come to pass.

keep the faith boys

Travis Silcox
(P.S. i'm getting sworn in this thursday!)


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