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posted 06 March 2021 18:20      Profile for ender   Email ender   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I heard we're supposed to have the C8 carbine instead of the C7.
Do you think that's ever going to happen?

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posted 07 March 2021 00:37      Profile for McG   Email McG   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The C8 is for vehicle crews. The C7 is the weapon of the Field Engineer. Don't forget it is also our role to fight as infantry, so we don't want to be short changing ourselves on the personal weapons side of things.


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posted 07 March 2021 21:33      Profile for ender   Email ender   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I am aware that the C8 was intended for vehicle crews, (and that engineers are manifestly not vehicle crews)

the local weapons guy at our unit (who usually goes to CFSAC) was saying that the c8 was supposed to be better because you can put it over your shoulder and build a bridge.

I personally would rather stick with the c7, but if we did go with the c8, would it compromize our infantry skills?


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posted 07 March 2021 23:05      Profile for McG   Email McG   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
to oversimplify the situation: the range to which the rifle is accurate is related to barrel length. As the barrel gets longer the range increases up to a certain point and then it begins to decrease. We will ignore the math except to say that the relationship is not linear.

When designing rifles the barrel length is optimised in favour of maximum range, while for a caribine range is sacrificed for compactness. You can look up more on the C7/M16 and the C8/M4 at:

Evolution of the AR-15

The Engineer section is armed very much like an Infantry section. When we have two C9 LMG's does it make sense to worry about how compact the rifle is?


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posted 08 March 2021 15:13      Profile for ender   Email ender   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
you're probably right. (not to mention the c6)
Then again, the army is not know for being logical.

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posted 11 March 2021 13:07      Profile for RCA     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Understand the implications of carrying C8 over C7 while doing your job.

The artiilery are in the same boat and I think we should have C8s as our pesonnal weapon. If we have to fight ther infantry battle at the gun position they are already too close and range isn't the issue anymore

PS don't anyone take this post too seriously, I was just bored and needed to write something.


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posted 11 March 2021 15:55      Profile for ender   Email ender   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
it's not quite the same thing as with engineers though. Our secondary role is as infantry, where as artillery only fights as infantry as a last resort...
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posted 12 March 2021 10:37      Profile for Yard Ape   Email Yard Ape   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
You engineers also are working infront of the infantry a lot. We can't get tanks and apc's through an obstacle you haven't cleared. I have also noticed that you typically carry all the Pl weapons that are carried by the infantry (except maybe the Eryx, I think you still use the Carl G).

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posted 13 March 2021 20:16      Profile for ender   Email ender   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thanks Yard Ape. (first in last out)

Since I don't know what an Eyrx is I don't think we use it (at least the reserves). What is an Eyrx?

We do use the Carl G though.


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posted 14 March 2021 12:51      Profile for Yard Ape   Email Yard Ape   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Have a look at "Why the Eryx?" from this site, and "The Eryx" from the Land Forces homepage.

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Well here I go, I belive that engineers should stay with the C7. Yes it is a pain no matter what task we do. As for weapons, engineer troops are set up the same way as an engineer Plt, that is why we have the same weapon compliment less motar and eryx. If you are looking for some thing that is small and compact, you might as well just give us pistols.
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posted 17 September 2021 10:54      Profile for Yard Ape   Email Yard Ape   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
A good bullpup rifle could replace both the C7 and the C8 for the entire CF. The SA 80 would not be such a rifle.

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posted 17 September 2021 19:03      Profile for Jungle     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think we should issue weapons based on individual tasks, not on trade or unit. For example, the C8 could be issued to recce elements in all arms, since patrolmen should avoid contact and use weapons as self defence. I used the C8 on ops, while i was a section commander in a recce platoon, and it was the weapon of choice for the tasks we had to carry out. [Canadian]
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posted 24 September 2021 09:54      Profile for Yard Ape   Email Yard Ape   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Jungle:
I think we should issue weapons based on individual tasks, not on trade or unit.

I thought that was how we did it. Howelse did you get issued the C8 while in Recce?

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