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towhey
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posted 21 June 2021 00:28      Profile for towhey   Author's Homepage   Email towhey   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Bloggins asked: "So what I want to know is, why did the guy get thrown to the lions like this? ... It seems like DND has gone out of its way to get this story in the press..."

I'm not sure that's the case. DND issued a straightforward news release saying the Cmdre had been charged under NDA 129. Few details were released. This is SOP following Somalia and complaints that DND "hid" charges. Now, they announce significant charges (in this case, because he was a flag officer), but do not release details except where the offence would be punishable under the Criminal Code.

And, like it or not, when a fleet commander is relieved of command -- in anybody's navy -- that spells news.

One can argue for or against the editorial leanings of various media outlets (compare front page 5x7 colour portrait of the Cmdre in one paper with back pages treatment in another paper).

What happens now is the test. Should the Cmdre be respected for doing the right thing and saying "hey, if a sailor is a bad boy for doing this, so am I" ? Yes. Should he get less punishment than the sailor? No.

The real question here is: why is this an offence in the first place? No $ cost to taxpayer. No lost time/productivity from work. No risk of damage to the PC. Why is it illegal to view naked anybody on a DND laptop, but not illegal to watch skin flicks on a DND TV/VCR? Or, to read Playboy / Playgirl / whatever transported to theatre on a DND aircraft? Or to lust after scantily clad dancers in a DND sponsored show tour?

Values and morality are a personal thing and cannot and should not be legislated.

For those that are interested, here is the text of the DND news release which crossed my desk two days ago:

NEWS RELEASE TRANSMITTED BY CCN NEWSWIRE - A SERVICE OF ITG

FOR: NATIONAL DEFENCE

JUNE 18, 2021 - 12:31 EDT

Charge Laid - Conduct to the Prejudice of Good Order and Discipline

OTTAWA, ONTARIO--On June 15, the Canadian Forces National Investigation Service (CFNIS) laid a charge of conduct to the prejudice of good order and discipline against Commodore E.J. Lerhe, Commander Canadian Fleet Pacific, Esquimalt, British Columbia. The charge results from an incident, which allegedly occurred between April 1-2, 2000, in San Diego, California, USA.

Commodore Lehre allegedly made an unacceptable use of an Internet System account, funded by the Department of National Defence and contrary to Defence Administrative Orders and Directives (DAOD).

The CFNIS initiated an investigation in February 2001 after the incident was reported to Vice-Admiral R.D. Buck, Commander Maritime Forces Pacific. Commodore Lehre is charged with one
count under section 129 of the National Defence Act, conduct to the prejudice of good order and discipline.

Vice-Admiral Buck has temporarily relieved Commodore Lehre of command while awaiting the conclusion of judicial proceedings. All inquiries regarding the action taken by Commodore Lehre's
chain of command should be directed to Lieutenant-Commander Chris Henderson, Maritime Forces Pacific Public Affairs, (250) 363 5789.


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FOR FURTHER INFORMATION PLEASE CONTACT:

National Defence
Media Liaison Office
(613) 996-2353/54
After hours: (613) 792-2973
Website: http://www.dnd.ca
or
Lieutenant Normand Chouinard
Canadian Forces Provost Marshal Media Coordinator
(613) 945-0522
(613) 783-8522 (pager)

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OK, Mr. Towhey, I guess I am guilty of shooting the messenger here. I knew that details of pending courts-martial are routinely published by DND, so I shouldn't regard the fact that this came out in the media as exceptional. I was merely surprised to see the story all over the front page of the G&M; when so many other stories, both negative and positive, don't make it. I couldn't help but see the dark hand of the NDHQ spin doctors at play in the background. That'll teach me to keep my ingrained cynicism in check.

What I really am outraged by is the severity of the charges. If this had been dealt with in an appropriately low-key fashion, there wouldn't have been a press release, and the poor guy's reputation needn't have been raked through the muck. Ironically it seems like it's actually the best thing that could have happened to him. Based on today's news it looks like the huge outpouring of public scorn has started the long, agonizing process of a climb down by the prosecution service.

Now, will Commodore Lerhe's career survive if the charges are dropped? Or will the effect of making DND look stupid twice be fatal?


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posted 21 June 2021 09:16      Profile for the patriot   Author's Homepage   Email the patriot   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I have an understanding as to why the charge was laid upon the Commodore. Down the road, the last thing we need are a bunch of sex addicts away from their wives with guns giving the troops orders. Sex addicts often go further than porn and wind up turning into the Paul Bernardo's of the world. Furthermore, we all remember that sicko in B.C. who got away with keeping his kiddie porn stash don't we?!!

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Patriot, thanks for the keen observation. We are all sex addicts just for looking at a naked body.
I don't see the problem with this. I have seen a good amount of porn in my relatively short time in, and I have never seen it have an effect on the job. In our society, it is considered a vice, just like smoking or drinking, but like I said above, in a job where we are expected to kill other people, you can't expect us to be perfect. I can just see the future headlines....

CANADIAN GENERAL CHARGED WITH DERELICTION OF DUTIES.
-A top Canadian General has been charged with dereliction of duties after it was discovered that he stepped out of his CP to have a cigarette.
"We see this as immoral and unethical, since this is such a dirty habit." Said Colonel Wanker of the CF Political Correctness Police.
Cigarette smoking changes the way soldiers are viewed, Nosmo King, executive director of Citizens Against Smoking Around Other People, said in an interview
"It's dangerous for soldiers to be supervised by someone who spends his spare time with a dirty, expensive and unhealthy habit." she said.
Supervisors who go back to the office after accessing tobacco cigarettes are creating a hostile environment for soldiers to work in, she added. "It certainly does not help make [the workplace] more friendly with bad breath, second hand smoke, and a propensity for dreaded "nic-fits."

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The problem is now we have maintaince of good order and discpline by public opinion. This case should have beed an minor displinary action (ie verbal warning) and thats it. We now see reverse discrimination because this was a senior officer. We are now been ruled by the smoke and mirrors crowd and if anyone noticed with a new CDS around.

This guy did the ethical thing and will now suffer. Therefore the ethics bull**** we went through was just for show. This case is proof.

No wonder we have troble recruiting. Its wonder we put up with this.


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And the reason for discplanary action-

Unless the navy is any different than the army, you sign a contract upon receipt of a computer and/or account that you will not misuse it. And that is the one and only reason for action in this case .


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posted 23 June 2021 08:12      Profile for recceguy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Infanteer-

That was excellent! Unfortunately, I think some spin doctor in the puzzle palace has already plagerized your response and has it on file for immediate release in the near future.

You've created a dilemma for me. Do I flick my butts out the Iltis door, running the chance of a littering fine and by extention, severe carreer action (possible courts martial) for incurring a civie charge while in uniform [Crybaby] . Or do I field strip my butts, keeping numerous butts in my map pocket, for use as evidence, when charged for dereliction of duty. I only wonder because any day now, I expect to see PC Officers posted to each low level organization throughout the forces. Their job description will be taken verbatum from the aide de memoire used by the Gen Force Political Officers who travelled with our opposite numbers during the Cold War. Their only job will be to ensure politcal correctness amongst the troops and ensure we tow the party line. [Boring] writing each transgression in their secret squirrel book for future use during the purge Of course this will be their only job and they will not get involved in the day to day activities of soldiering, hence just another waste of rations OOPs, someone may be monitoring this forum from outside.

(Disclaimer: The above narrative in no way reflect the views of the author. They were meant strictly in jest and were meant to represent the mindless meanderings of someone who has been whipped to near exhaustion with the PC noodle [Blotto] )


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posted 23 June 2021 17:22      Profile for Gunner   Email Gunner   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Recceguy, if you were not disobeying regulations by smoking in the Iltis in the first place you wouldn't have to worry about littering with the butts.

Rules and Regulations are just what they imply. When you are a leader and you begin to decide which rules and regulations you will and will not follow or enforce, what does it do to a groups discipline?

Do I think the Cmdre needs to be drawn and quartered? No, but he screwed up, he did the honourable think and came forward, he will also have to pay the consequences. Hopefully, it won't be anything than a slap on the wrist. Is he career ruined? Probably, who's going to promote the porno guy?


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Gunner,
A good point.
I must clarify what I have been bitching about on this forum.
Yes, the Commadore screwed up. He broke a rule. He should be punished (like you stated) in order to prevent the next guy from breaking a different rule, thinking he could get away with it, and getting someone killed.
What I am pissed off about is the fact that this rule exists in the first place. Canadian soldiers, sailors and airmen do a very tough job, and in my opinion, a very damn good job at it also. Why would some high-rankers essentially spit in ALL of our faces with this, and all other chicken**** rules (many come to mind right now) that do nothing but blade the common warrior in the back.
(I'll get off my soapbox now...)

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A couple of points:

a. The rules for laptop use come from Treasury Board, not from DND. Yes, this statement is simply passing the buck.

b. The Cmdre has been dragged through the mud simply in the interest of transparancy within the CF. Officers above the rank of Col/Capt(N) must by investigated by the NIS if they breach a regulation.

My question to everyone is "What is the cost to the CF of being transparant?" I don't know the Cmdre but lets assume he is an excellent officer with great integrity (as he has shown by coming forward". Whereas in the past he could come forward and accept his lumps privately and carry on without having lost the resect of his sailors or having lost his command presence. Now this hasn't happened and the CF has lost a good leader and his name has been sprayed across the national media in a sensational way. Who's going to replace him? Someone so worried about their career that they won't come forward?

The idea that the public has a right to know everything that happens in the CF is just plain stupid. A private doesn't need to know when his MCpl/Sgt/Lt screws up and what he has been punished with. It destroys group cohesion. How do we learn from our mistakes without everyone knowing about it?


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posted 20 August 2021 16:28      Profile for towhey   Author's Homepage   Email towhey   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
News release just crossed my desk... thought the group may be interested:

NEWS RELEASE TRANSMITTED BY CCN NEWSWIRE

FOR: NATIONAL DEFENCE

AUGUST 20, 2021 - 17:18 EDT

National Defence: Statement From the Chief of the Defence
Staff - Reinstatement of Commodore Lerhe

OTTAWA, ONTARIO--The Chief of the Defence Staff, General Ray Henault, today issued the following statement regarding the reinstatement of Commodore Eric Lerhe as Commander Canadian Fleet Pacific. As Commodore Lerhe is a flag (general) officer, the final decision about his reinstatement rested with the Chief of the Defence Staff.

"I, along with the senior commanders of the Canadian Forces, have thoroughly reviewed the facts of Commodore Eric Lerhe's case."

"Based on this review, and the recommendations of the senior commanders, I have made the decision to direct Chief of the Maritime Staff to take the necessary action to immediately reinstate Commodore Lerhe as Commander Canadian Fleet Pacific."

"Commodore Lerhe took responsibility for his actions and admitted his guilt during the court martial held on August 16th. The military justice system has dealt appropriately with the situation through the disciplinary process."

"Commodore Lerhe's willingness to take responsibility demonstrates his courage and integrity. I am fully confident of his leadership
and command abilities and his qualities as an officer in the Canadian Forces."

"I look forward to Commodore Lerhe's resumption of command."

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Good for him! There was a RCD colonel I read about and came down in an O-Group that while overseas he had a negligent discharge wile in a turret of a cougar or was it coyote now? Anyway the point is he said "yup I did it...I was at fault". He payed a 5000.00 fine based on his rank I imagine and the severity of what happened and continued on with life. So yeah I was damm proud of him! It showed that he screwed up, and came forward, never denied what happened. I would be more than happy to serve under a man with honesty and integrity like him. It would be a perfect army if all CO's were like him. A hell of a nice guy too...come up and talked to you just like your next Private buddy next to you. Makes for a better workplace and to know he his down to earth and not high and mighty on himself. A great example of an officer. To you SIR if you ever come across this...just like to say Thanks! Thanks for showing what prime qualities all service people should have. Truth, Loyalty, Honesty, Commitment to the troops under you. Even though I was RCR, I was impressed! Makes good on the Royal Canadian Dragoons for sure...just kidding guys, enjoyed the freedom of the city pdes with you and time in the field...running behind the Leopards knowing that at least I had some protection from getting a "third-eye"...he he he.

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Also like recceguy said as a disclaimer...(All this information can be found at DND website...under the JAG section...lots of great info there...nice to see who's getting dinged for what charge on the court martial part, appeals, calander. Plain common knowledge!)

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