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I've been reading the DND LUVW webpage but have some questions:

1. Is it the G-wagon that has been ordered?
2. It sounds on the page as if reserve recce units will get the commercial off the shelf version. If so, does this mean no armour/protection or turret ring/weapons capability for the reserve vehicle? From what I've read the vehicle sounds like a great addition to reserve armoured recce, but no ability to mount weapons sounds like a disadvantage.

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No "official" decision has been made as to the manufacturer. As to reserve recce units, every indication (even from the previous Brigade Commander) has been that we will be about the only reserve types to recieve the actual military version. It goes to finally giving us a solid role and doctrine. We'll wait and see.
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Reserve armd recce units are supposed to be the only reserve units getting the C&R; version of LUVW. It is supposed to have a ring mount for a C6, and some armour protection. The problem will be in the numbers received.
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OK,
Here it is from the horses mouth. Let's hold their feet to the fire on this one. But while I'm doing that, I won't be holding my breath. This is from the official gov't CF discussion forum. Reserve recce are slated for the SMP C&R; version.

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"The LUVW project or Iltis Replacement project will replaced the iltis used by the Armoured Reconnaissance Regiment by LUVW SMP C&R; or Ligth Utility Vehicle Wheel
Standard Military Pattern Command and Reconnaissance. It is an operational reconnaissance vehicle that will be used in theater of operations. There has been
discussion within the Armour Corps based on the Kosovo and current Bosnia deployments to increase the Armoured Reconnaissance Squadron flexibility by either replacing one the three coyote troop by a LUVW C&R; troop or by adding a LUVW C&R; Patrol to each of the three Coyote Troop. The Coyote may be a great surveillance platform, however it can be a bit too much for several of the Recon tasks. Current iltis would not provide the capability required for this but the LUVW C&R; will as it will provide protection against Small Arms and mines.

If the proposal for mixed Armoured Recon squadron firms up, the role to generate either the patrols or troop will be given to the Armoured Recon Regiment. Armour(Cougar) will not get the LUVW C&R.;

So, is there a future for Armoured Reconnaissance? Certainly. I can understand WO MacDougall frustration but I believe that we have started climbing out of the pit and our situation is improving. Which by the way is improving on the equipment side with the publication of the single scale of issue for personnal kit, the increased allocation for Small Arms and the delivery of Grenade Launcher to the Infantry and Fd Engr units."

Maj B Mainville
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There it is, time to call the booky and check the odds before betting.

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Double post thingy is happening again. But while I'm here, the whole discussion can be found at:
LFRR Discussion Forum

Lots of other good, if somewhat demoralizing, discussion on reserve matters on this forum also.

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“The Reserve armoured recce units are the only ones slated to receive the SMP Command & Recce variant iltis replacement, everyone else is supposed to receive the COTS LUVW replacement for iltis.” On another thread.

Probably due to misinformation.
Under the reshaping of the regular force, there will two regular force RECCE regiments, the RCD and 12 RBC. I would imagine that most of the new C&R; versions of the LUVW will go to these Regiments and the reserve will get COTS vehicles to use.


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As far as I know, every Ilits is to be replaced by the LUVW, There is no Command or Recce type. Its just the some with a changable roof.
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There is an SMP version and a COTS version. The Reserve recce are still slated for some of the SMP variants, remainder to be COTS to replace all iltis. The amount of SMP variant recieved will be contingent on operational requirements. The regs were always slated to recieve some SMPs also, in the recce regiments. Our outfit is currently slated to rec 9 SMPs with the remainer being COTS for a total of about 21 to replace all our iltis.
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Recceguy,

I wonder if I know you. Being an ex-reserve recce SME from Ontario (read Toronto), and now being a Blue-Zoomie type in MJ, SK.

Alas, the recce wonders out here (SaskD) have been told to expect 9 SMP's and 2 COTS. Albeit only a squadron strength unit, it still is a far cry from their current Iltis strength. Methinks that there is still room for planning and thought in the upcoming (?) LUVW project.

On another point. I heard that the LUVW project has been stonewalled at the government level, seems that only one contender for the replacement project does not bode well with the powers that be. I guess replacing Challenger aircraft without opening that competition up is a whole different story??

Back to studying...

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I'm putting forward the best case scenario as stated by the Bde Cmdr. Let's not forget regs come first, then op commitments, etc. Someone outside the loop identified our resources. It's up to the units to inform higher that the current commitment is not appropriate. If they accept what is given without complaining, they get what what they get.
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