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posted 09 May 2021 06:17      Profile for bossi   Email bossi   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
(from the Sun)

Wednesday, May 9, 2021
Canuck military laughable: General

By STEPHANIE RUBEC, Parliamentary Bureau
Canada's military has become a haven for sensitive soldiers who don't have the right stuff for combat, charged a respected Canadian general.

Retired Maj.-Gen. Lewis MacKenzie told a Commons committee that the Canadian Forces has been stripped of its fighting forces by budget cuts and couldn't even scrape up a 5,000-strong fighting brigade.

MacKenzie complained that soldiers not pegged for ongoing peacekeeping missions are too busy taking sensitivity training instead of warfare techniques.

"I would prefer fighting against the Canadian army of today rather than the Canadian army of 10 years ago," he said, contradicting Chief of Defence Staff Maurice Baril's recent claims that the Canadian Forces is more combat ready now than it was a decade ago.

"I cannot concede that anyone who knows anything about the military will not believe that we've gone past a critical mass, especially in the army," he added.

MacKenzie said that Defence Department cuts have eliminated fighting brigade training and trust building exercises.

"I would be delighted if we spent as much on marksmanship training as we have on sensitivity training," he said. "I think some priorities need to be looked at."

MacKenzie blamed the current practice of throwing soldiers from different backgrounds together on missions for the increase in post traumatic stress disorder.

"The absolutely worst thing you can do before you go out is re-organize," he said, pointing to the need to build trust.

MacKenzie predicted Canada will fail when the UN calls soldiers to a war zone.

"Canadian soldiers haven't had an opportunity to train for it and they don't have the equipment for it," he said.

"I'm also overly concerned that we are becoming a laughing stock with the Americans," he said.

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(the Toronto Star version)

Canadian Forces 'not capable', says ex-general
Contradicts defence chief's statement that military stronger than decade ago

OTTAWA (CP) - Contrary to what senior military leaders say, the Canadian Forces are not as combat-capable today as they were 10 years ago, a retired general says.

At a Commons defence committee meeting Tuesday, retired major-general Lewis MacKenzie flatly contradicted what Gen. Maurice Baril, the chief of defence staff, told the same MPs just a week ago.

MacKenzie, who won fame in the Balkans war nine years ago, also suggested Canada should pull out of Bosnia after more than a decade.

He was blunt about the state of the army.

''If I was an enemy force commander, I would much prefer to fight the Canadian army of today, rather than the Canadian army of 10 years ago,'' MacKenzie told the committee.

The outspoken MacKenzie, who led Canadian soldiers into Sarajevo, the Bosnian capital, in the turbulent summer of 1992, said the army simply isn't up to snuff.

''We're not capable of fighting beside the best against the best in a high-intensity conflict,'' he said.

Last week, Baril said the Forces are more capable today because of new equipment and strong leadership.

In disagreeing, MacKenzie suggested Baril was following a required political line.

The army hasn't exercised at the brigade level - about 5,000 soldiers with tanks, armoured personnel carriers and artillery - in eight years, MacKenzie said.

''I have no doubt that the individual soldiers are up to the task,'' he said, but they haven't trained in large groups, which are the units that fight in combat.

MacKenzie told MPs on the committee the army is no longer capable of meeting the requirements of the 1994 white paper.

That document calls for a vanguard force consisting of a 1,200-member battle group and a 1,000-member battalion, with a brigade to follow in 90 days.

It can't be done, he said. The first two requirements would devour five of the army's nine understrength battalions. The remainder wouldn't be enough to round out the brigade.

He said peacekeeping missions are patched together from various units and lack the coherence and support that comes from training together for prolonged periods.

In 1992, the soldiers he led to Sarajevo - two thirds from the Van Doos and a third from the Royal Canadian Regiment - had lived, worked and trained together for years as part of the Canadian brigade in Germany.

''They were a cohesive battalion who trusted each other,'' he said. ''That's a combat-capable battalion. It's more than a collection of individuals.''

Perhaps as a result, he said, there wasn't a single case of post-traumatic stress syndrome in the outfit. In contrast, dozens of soldiers from follow-up missions have become stress casualties.

Soldiers who don't have the support and camaraderie that comes from long service together may be more susceptible to stress, he said.

MacKenzie also told MPs the peacekeeping commitment in Bosnia - currently about 2,000 people - should be abandoned to reduce the strain on the military.

''The army tears itself apart only to provide a couple of thousand of our folks in Bosnia.''

Canada has done enough there, he said.

''We paid our dues in Bosnia, with 21 dead and more than 100 wounded and millions of dollars,'' he said. ''Surely the Europeans can take that over.''

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posted 30 June 2021 10:31      Profile for the patriot   Author's Homepage   Email the patriot   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Which brings me to my next question. What on earth is going on with the Infantry QL3 Course in the Reserves/Regular Force. I hear that they don't even run in combat boots anymore. They don't even run PERIOD!!! What is the standard of physical training?! I know of the CF Express Test, but apparently PT isn't even being given on the JLC course. And these people are supposed to teach the Infantry Course in the future?!!! What's going on?!!!!

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RE: Running sans combat boots>

Goes like this. When I returned to Pet from Europe in the early 70's, we did pt every morning. One day org sports, one day sports afternoon and running three times a week, one day in combat boots. When the airborne arrived and we were all drafted into the Special Service Force (OSONS!) we started to do morning runs almost exclusivley in boots. Well it didn't take long before the base surgeon started to identify the fact that all the foot injuries he was seeing all of a sudden could be traced to the bad design of the combat boot. No arch support, no heel cushion etc. They changed to the current insole, although I don't think this was intended as a fix. Instead of getting a new designed boot, (which is finally just coming on issue, 26 years later, go figure) NDHQ mandated at this time there would be no more running in combat boots. The hue and cry went out from people who would rather put unit pride and stubborness above the welfare and injury of their soldiers. Hence the circumvention of the rule with the adoption of the "airborne shuffle" as it became known. This allows for a relitively faster pace than walking without the jarring impact on the foot and supporting tissue. Problem is that every few years people start to creep back into the running mode and the policy is forgotten. As soon as people start to show on sick parade for injuries and appointments with the orthopedic surgeon for custom boots, the light goes on and the policy is restated. It's nowhere near a new policy, it's just that people tend to forget and have to be reminded. As to the lack of pt on todays course, I don't know. The recruit course I ran last year definitely did pt!

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As an aside, again I can't speak for the infantry, but on the armoured recce side of the house we do pt on course. On all courses up to the 6B (Tp Warrant) pt is done unless your in the field. On the 6B, warning orders are given at about 0600 and everything for the candidate is done at the double for the rest of the day till end ex at about 2100. This is not the end of the day, you still have debreifs, classes and even though there's 35 GD drivers and observers on the ground, five candidates have to do the veh and fire piquet). PT is done on the traces. Running up hill carrying your rad ops radio ( he's a GD and YOUR the one on course), plus your full fighting order and bunny suit, to clear the troop hide. Running 400m up the road to junior to see what the hell he's doing(to minimize air time on the radio) and getting back to your car yesterday so as not to slow the advance. Running through the field in a search for a peice of paper telling you about the contamination your wearing your full MOPP gear for in 98 degree cloudless weather. This goes on for four weeks. All the above and more for $100 and three squares a day! Please sir, can I have some more male sexual appendage(political correctness)! Ye-haa. By 1000 hrs your soaked through and looking like Job's wife for the salt your sweating out. Besides not having time, enough pt is done in one day to cover for three, a formal version is definitely NOT required. And lovin' it!!!


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Typical of the ever changing world. Just heard from one of the guys in the G spot. Seems the 6B Recce course has also found time for organized PT this year, on top of the daily routine. Glad I've got mine. Have a blast guys!!!
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