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Argyll_2347 Veteran Member # 5	posted 22. April 2002 12:00
	I am still in the application process (passed my aptitude test and interview with highest recommendation! Have my medical/phyiscal wed. night) and trying to get my training this summer. Do you know how long the QL2 and QL3 will take and what I should expect?
	Albainn Gu-Brath
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para Recruit Member # 416	posted 22. April 2002 15:18
	I think that that is the kind of question you need to ask your recruiter!

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Argyll_2347 Veteran Member # 5	posted 22. April 2002 16:19
	He only had time to explain to me what QL2/3/4 etc. were and not enough time to answer how long.
	Albainn Gu-Brath
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Sharpey Veteran Member # 636	posted 22. April 2002 16:38
	I spent 4 months every other weekend, plus 6 weeks in the summer when I joined. Now, as I understand it, things are done in "blocks", BMQ etc... I don' really know anymore.

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Bedpan Elemental Old Soldier Member # 456	posted 22. April 2002 17:29
	My BMQ weekend started from end of march, going usually every other weekend planned to end early/mid june. SQ and MOC Infantry at Meaford July/August, from what I heard. Apparently there is also BMQ at meaford in June also, but that's out for high school students, I guess.

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portcullisguy Veteran Member # 582	posted 25. April 2002 18:31
	My unit recruiter has told me: BMQ - 3 June - 29 June (4 weeks), or, 1 July - 27 July (4 weeks) SQ - He didn't give dates, but said it also lasts for 4 weeks also and starts immediately after both BMQ's, which would mean: 1 July - 27 July, and 29 July - 24 August. MOC (Infantry in my case) could then be done on weekends during the fall, if I recall. So I may take the early session for both BMQ and SQ and take August off from work, so I still get some sort of holiday this summer. In other news, I got to see first hand the state of affairs at ASU Downsview, when I went to pick up kit yesterday. The staff were helpful and knew their part, unfortunately the most important kit was out of stock ... combat trousers! They only had size 40... I'm a 33! And, I'd probably get in s*** if I buy my own in the correct size!
	--- portcullisguy non dormiverit gladius meus
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Se7eN Old Soldier Member # 276	posted 25. April 2002 23:15
	Im a little worried about my aptittude test. The spatial problems mostly. I took the test last year and I didnt do so well, so I worked harder in math (improved to an 85% average) but I have no clue how to prepare for my spatial part. I cant afford not to get in becasue I have to contibute to my university education somehow and I really would like to avoid selling hamburgers at the local Mc****s. JH

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Nfld_Sapper Recruit Member # 293	posted 25. April 2002 23:33
	From what I heard about the new system, is that it would almost impossibe to do the following over the summer BMQ/SQ/MOC. First you do BMQ (Basic Military Qual) which is 20 training days. Here you learn drill, FA, C7 handling, etc. The "basics" that everyone needs. Then you do SQ (Soldier Qual)which is another 20 days where you do the fun stuff like machine guns, patrolling and section attacks. Then you go on to your MOC course which is another 20 training days. And you cannot take out of sequence training (ie. you have to do BMQ, SQ, and then MOC). It sucks because it will essentially take 2 summers to get a fully qualified soldier. PG, I don't think you can do your MOC training over the weekends (I could be wrong) but your MOC requires lots of field time for patrols/section attacks/etc. this would seem to be impossible to do over the weekends. WRT to the combat pants, who cares if they aren't your size that's what a belt is for!! . I spent my entire QL2 with size 40 pants (I take a 34) and a 7050 combat shirt!! Your in the army now PG and the QM has only two sizes in stock..... too big or too small.... Chimo!

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Infanteer Grizzled Old Veteran Member # 349	posted 26. April 2002 07:30
	quote: Your in the army now PG and the QM has only two sizes in stock..... too big or too small.... Or in my case, none at all...damn pogues [ 26 April 2002, 07:31: Message edited by: Infanteer ]

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portcullisguy Veteran Member # 582	posted 26. April 2002 08:56
	Glad that's sorted out then, about the sizes. My next question is this: I know the army gives you ABSOLUTELY everything you need <grin>... they keep telling me so. But, is there anything they might have forgotten anyway that a PTE(R) would be able to get away with adding on BMQ/SQ anyway? I am thinking about a thousand feet of para cord and a a couple rolls of electrical tape for starters, and some elastics to blouse the pants properly... anything else? Like anything more extravagant? I've heard that suring SQ or MOC, whichever, when you're doing advance to contact in full fighting order, the knees and elbows can take quite a beating. Would some low-profile sports-type elbow and knee pads worn under the combats go unnoticed? Or would it result in a beating of a different kind .. from the instructors? Anyone have a recommendation on a good set of insoles for the boots?
	--- portcullisguy non dormiverit gladius meus
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Marauder Old Soldier Member # 523	posted 26. April 2002 11:00
	Don't listen to any of these guys, I'll give you the real gouge. They take about ten days to show you cam and concealment, how to fire and maintain the rifle, and some basic first aid. Then they set you loose into a 10km x 10km grid that is fenced in by a 30' electrified razor wire fence with mines and rabid badger enclousures all the way around. You get your own C7 (C9 if you're lucky) issued along with some grenades and claymores. The instructors get live rounds, as do you, and your formerly friendly instructors turn into ministers of death praying for war. If you manage to either a) fight your way past the perimeter and live or b) survive 76 straight hours of having the instructors hunt you down like a puppy inside 'The Death Grounds', then they give you your unit's capbadge and then let them train you in your chosen MOC. Sometimes they let the Jedi's and sniper types use you as living, breathing, carbon based training aids in lieu of the instructors riddling your body with FMJ rounds. Still wanna join?
	Ducimus!
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RCA Grizzled Old Veteran Member # 74	posted 26. April 2002 13:36
	Live rounds, interesting??? And where would you carry a 1,000 ft of para cord???? Sometimes, I am truely amazed at the "quantity" and "quality" of information by this means. There is enough bull to fertilize Alberta.(Which already has enough of its own.) As to the BMQ/SQ/MOC, each are 20 trg days in lenght and you need all three to be condered a "trained soldier". As to sequence you must do BMQ first, but the other two in any order. As far as I know, the SQ CTP is not completed yet and from what I understand won't be out until Jan 2003 at thge ealiest (someone correct me if I'm wrong.) From my understanding., if you complete BMQ/MOC before the SQ starts up, themn you will be grandfathered and considered trained. If true this shoud make ELOC (or whatever it is now very interesting.
	Ubique
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Marauder Old Soldier Member # 523	posted 26. April 2002 20:26
	Why is it that that the only ones on here with a friggin sense of humour are the blackhats? Well, and a few fellow infantry privates. I guess the rumour that you have to foreswear any sense of mirth and jocularity to graduate from JLC is true. Go figure.
	Ducimus!
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Disturbance Veteran Member # 280	posted 26. April 2002 21:32
	I still wet my bed because of the Death Grounds. Wait no, I just have bladder problems.

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Argyll_2347 Veteran Member # 5	posted 26. April 2002 21:43
	Se7en: My school has aptitude tests that you can take through guidance, spatial included. That will prepare you for that section.
	Albainn Gu-Brath
Member Rated:	Posts: 111 \| From: Hamilton, Ontario, Canada \| Registered: Dec 2000

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