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colgan
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posted 31 July 2021 20:16      Profile for colgan   Email colgan   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Just wondering what the numbers beside each unit in the combat arms part of the web site are for ? thanks [Canadian]
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posted 31 July 2021 21:56      Profile for Mike Bobbitt   Author's Homepage   Email Mike Bobbitt   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Order of precedence is sort of like "seniority" for infantry regiments.

I say sort of, becuase it's sort of based on what type of unit it is, sort of based on how old it is, and sort of based on luck of the draw.

I'm sure someone can step in at this point and give a more helpful description...

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posted 01 August 2021 15:57      Profile for colgan   Email colgan   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
does this mean that no. 1 is more important and get's more money than no. 50 [Canadian]
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posted 01 August 2021 18:04      Profile for Gunner   Email Gunner   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It's a historical designation and has nothing to do with resources. Precedence is basedon the date the unit was raised, battle honours and most importantly, political clout.
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posted 01 August 2021 18:40      Profile for colgan   Email colgan   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
what does this political clout have to do with your unit/ [Canadian]
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posted 01 August 2021 20:40      Profile for Gunner   Email Gunner   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ask a VanDoo!
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posted 01 August 2021 21:33      Profile for colgan   Email colgan   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ah oui je comprende,english pig dog hehehehe.... [Canadian]
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posted 01 August 2021 22:33      Profile for towhey   Author's Homepage   Email towhey   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
In theory, order of precedence is based on the age of the unit... i.e. the older the unit, the higher in the order, the lower the number.

But.....

By tradition, Guards units are higher in precedence than non guards units.

By CF decree, all regular force regiments are higher in precedence than all reserve force regiments.

Because many units are the offspring of amalgamations, some of these are considered as old as their oldest parent unit.

Because some units lay claim to the heritage of extinct units, and have savvy political operatives on their side, they have also laid claim to higher precedence.

Conversely, some units who have just as legitimate (or more so) claims to the heritage of extinct units, but did not have switched-on leaders many years ago, have lost out on what may be a rightfully higher order of precedence. (e.g. The Rocky Mountain Rangers who have established a link to, go figure, the "Rocky Mountain Rangers" formed during the Riel rebellion -- but that heritage has been scooped by the South Alberta Light Horse, so the venerable RM Rang only date back to the First World War.

All in all, it's a rather meaningless detail. The only time it's ever important/useful is when determining whose regimental march to play first at mess dinners... they are traditionally played in order of precedence.

A good question. Hard to answer.



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This is interesting. I have a vague recollection that the concept goes back to the days of pike and shot (or even further), and that it had to do with where your unit stood in the line of battle. The right-most place is traditionally the most prestigious, so that is where the unit with highest precedence would stand, and so on down the line. No idea where the right-of-the-line thing comes from. Someone once tried to tell me that it was because on the extreme right you didn't have a neighbour's shield to cover your flank (making it more dangerous), but that seems more than a little too cute to be true...

I guess the only place you would see something like that in practice nowadays would be in a garrison parade with more than one unit taking part. It would be appropriate in that case to determine order of march by precedence.

I knew that Guards units are at the top (closest to the sovereign, etc.), but do Royal units get an extra leg-up too?


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Answered my own question. Seeing RNFR down at number 47 there would indicate that the answer is no...
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posted 02 August 2021 14:18      Profile for towhey   Author's Homepage   Email towhey   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
You're right Bloggins...

The Right Marker on parade is traditionally a tall, strong, skilled, senior soldier, and the right of the line position on parade is traditionally reserved for the senior, "most effective unit" -- i.e. highest precedence or Guards unit.

I believe your history is correct, too. In the Roman Legion days soldiers armed with a shield (left arm) and sword/pike/spear (right hand) would form line so each was partially protected by the shield of the man on his right. This, of course, left the right most soldier more vulnerable than others. Therefore, senior soldiers would take this place of danger and "honour".



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posted 02 August 2021 18:11      Profile for colgan   Email colgan   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
WOW! thats an excellent bunch of info. guys,very interesting thank's. [Canadian]
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The order of precedence (right of the line) is set out in one of the CF publications (age prevents me from remembering)

If I remember correctly (and I'm sure if I'm wrong, someone out there will correct me. This also goes against the arty principal of working off of positve information) right of the line goes to the the Royal Canadian Horse Artillery, then "Horse" Armoured, and next Royal Canadian Artillery, and then everyone else.

And before anyone says anything. YES, its is important who has right of the line. (especially for those who don't have it.

Before everyone jumps on my frame, remember this comes from a almost deaf, half blind gunner, so take it with a grain of salt.

Thats my pot stirrer for thislong weekend, everyone enjoy and keep the power dry.


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posted 05 August 2021 16:01      Profile for towhey   Author's Homepage   Email towhey   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
And, don't forget that the Navy is the "Senior" Service... despite the fact that humans, including Canadians, were beating themselves over the head with sticks and stones on land long before they were drowing each other at sea.

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posted 11 August 2021 13:26      Profile for colgan   Email colgan   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Why is there no order of precedence for the armor,engineers and artillary [Canadian]
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