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recceguy
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posted 18 June 2021 14:28      Profile for recceguy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Found in today's email.

I won't post the entire article as it's rather lenghty, but will include the site at the end of the intro. If anyone wants the whole article posted I'll repost.

Frustrated Rank and File Fed up with Toiling for Arrogant Brass

By Scott Taylor ON TARGET

LAST YEAR the Defence Department conducted an extensive survey among officers who had recently completed a peacekeeping tour. The driving force behind this study was the realization that the army's morale was in the toilet and none of the top brass at National Defence Headquarters could pinpoint the reasons why.

As the submissions began flooding in, the peacekeeping veterans' responses were surprisingly candid and contemptuously critical of both the rationale behind many of the missions on which they had been deployed and of those individuals (read: the same top brass conducting this survey) responsible for repeatedly endangering their lives.

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the patriot
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posted 18 June 2021 15:44      Profile for the patriot   Author's Homepage   Email the patriot   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I read the article. With respect to the morale issue, who wouldn't be depressed with the high operational tempo the military currently has. Some troops are on back to back tours with barely any time to relax. Now about the idea of "lives being put in harms way with vague political objectives", isn't that an officer's job to implement and fine tune those very objectives?! I thought that dying was part of the job.

-the patriot- [Canadian]


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centurion
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posted 18 June 2021 19:35      Profile for centurion     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
For a noble cause yes, not for the self esteem of some self appointed, self righteous demigod and the perpetuation of his snivelling, unthinking, fall in line, like a bunch of lemmings, caucus.
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posted 18 June 2021 21:46      Profile for Gunner   Email Gunner   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Take whatever Scott Taylor has to say with a grain of salt. Always remember he has a big chip on his shoulders in his crusade against DND.

Officers don't make the mission objectives, it's a political decision on why the CF is sent based on a UN or NATO mandate. Red Lloyd Axeworthy use of the Human Security Agenda falls within his ideology. Soldiers handing out candies to kids..doesn't that make you feel good? Peacekeeping sounds nice and artsy fartsy to the liberal media but most officers and soldiers know it doesn't work. Peace in Bosnia? Yeah, right. Let's stop the war adn move everyone back to their starting positions and that will make it all right.

If one of my soldiers is going to die, I want to know the mission will at least have a chance of success. Let his death be for a reason.


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centurion
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posted 19 June 2021 15:10      Profile for centurion     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Don't care about Mr Taylor's agenda. You can read the report in full and judge for yourself if he's making this up on his own. Sounds like he quoted verbatum from the report. Go to the site below, click on "Debrief the Leaders (Officers), it will take you to the next page, click on "Debrief the Leader's Project(Officers) Adobe Acrobat". This will download the report in .PDF format (you need acrobat reader to view). It's 27 pages of some rather enlightening reading.

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People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.
--George Orwell--


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opcentre
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posted 25 June 2021 14:08      Profile for opcentre        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Morale in the Canadian Forces??? Has nothing to do with the operational tempo. Has nothing to do with travelling overseas back to back. Whenever a tour comes up within a Regiment, troops are putting their hands up to go and are frustrated if they didn't make that tour. If the CF didn't have these tours morale would be 1000 % lower then what it is now. What else would a soldier have to look forward to or be proud of. We no longer have any large bases outside of Canada. Our training exercises are minimal. When was the last time we had a large scale joint army exercise with our Nato Allies, or even our neighbouring US partners. We haven't even deployed all three Brigades on a joint exercise in Canada. For the Armour Corps it was a major revelation just to deploy one troop of leopards from the RCD's and 12RBC to Wainwright and Suffield to train with the Strats and 1CMBG. Most of our exercises are under funded and provide little ammunition and small amounts of live fire training. I think when we look at the CF, especially the Army, these oversea tours are what keep morale from reaching the bottom of the sink. Recruitment is down, retaining soldiers is difficult. My guess for morale being low would involve many different reasons. How about: The government and NDHQ's meddling in purchasing new equipment for the CF. It decreases my morale to know that the purchase of new helicopters for the Navy is not considered a priority and that the purchase is wrapped up in politics. That DND probably won't be replacing the aging Leopards with a tracked Main Battle Tank. That the new Iltis replacement project has only one company bidding because DND manipulated the procurement requirements. That the Navy had to stop operating the HMCS HURON because there are not enough sailors or money. That they allowed women in to the Submarine trade even though DND did a survey of sailors and 89% did not want women in the subs. That the regular force lost an armoured unit 8th Canadian Hussars to the Reserves because of budget cuts, that training standards have dropped within the military and especially the Combat Arms. That we no longer have a Airborne Regiment. That a quarter of the CF 18's are now mothballed, that we have no heavy air transport lift capability and must rely on the US for it. That the Navy doesn't have a transport ship for overseas deployments of the Army. And on and on and on. So, I think that the CF members have a right to be low on morale with no brighter picture on the horizon. The only thing we can all do is Soldier on and be true Canadians. Because for most of us serving in the CF is not for the money. Not for the credit, and it is not to be a hero. It is because this is who we are, and despite all the negative events that surround us we still choose to be part of something that is more then just now. We choose to be part of Canada and its great history and its prevailing future. And for me to take a grain of salt from one of the few people in Canada who dedicates his time and life for the serving soldiers of the CF and the betterment of the Canadian military would be to kick a friend in the mouth and say no thanks for your help. Scott Taylor is a proud Canadian.
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posted 25 June 2021 17:41      Profile for Soldier of Fortune   Email Soldier of Fortune   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think that if Canada cant recruit any more soldiers, sailors, pilots, etc. then they should concentrate on training and maintaning moral of the soldiers they already have.


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posted 25 June 2021 18:04      Profile for Gunner   Email Gunner   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
"Scott Taylor is a proud Canadian."

ROLFLMAO!

Scott Taylor has a big chip on his shoulder and only cares about how Scott Taylor's view of the military is put forward.


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posted 26 June 2021 01:19      Profile for Infanteer        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Scott Taylor is a proud Canadian.

.....No
The guy's a whiner with a hard-on for the Canadian Forces.
He takes whatever the military does and turns it into some big controversy that sells his books, magazines, and what not. His writing is to badly slanted to be taken seriously.
Funny, the some of the biggest detractors I know of the guy seem to be the rank and file of the armed forces.
The military ain't perfect, and we've got a lot of problems, but we sure aren't as messed up as Scott Taylor would have the general public believe.

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