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kaspacanada
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posted 12 June 2021 15:14      Profile for kaspacanada   Email kaspacanada   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
From the Province Newspaper in BC on June 3rd.

Jason Morley is trapped in his own version of a Hollywood thriller.

The plot goes like this:

Morley, a gaurd at Vancouver's pretrial center, is on his annual holiday with his Russian born wife and child.

Leaving them behind in Russia for a longer visit with family he's searched at every stop along the way home. He can't figure out why so much attention is being paid to him. At Vancouver's airporton March 31, he's surrounded by armyed police from the RCMP's National Security Investigations section who heavily take hime down, cuff him and tell him he's to be charged with attempted murder.

His father and sister, there to greet his return, are screamed at and have guns pointed at them.

"I have never had anyone scream at me like that and had a gun pointed at me," said his father, Barry Morley, a successful businessman. "It was pretty bizzare."

Baffled by this unruly welcome home, Morley is taken to the Richmond RCMP detachment where he's interrogatedfor several hours and released with no charges laid against him.

But he's suspended from work without pay, as of March 31, while various investigations into his activities are launched. Even his holiday pay is held back.

Meanwhile, Morley can't make his mortgage payments, can't afford to bring his wife and child back from Russia, and has no medical or dental benefits.

"I'm screwed" he said.

And it all began with a series of imaginative scenarios he wrote involving terrorists taking over the legislature in Victoria and the military's possible response. He did much of his research on the internet. amilitary buff and reservist in the Westminster Regiment, he said he wrote the scenarios thinking the people would be interested.


The article continues on to talk about what he wants to do but I work with this guy at the Regiment. He is coming on course with us and I have known him for the past year. I have seen his stories and that is all they are. ****, people can not even write stories in this country anymore? The regiment supports him, and so do I. When well konwn author's write stories about **** like this they get book deals and people read them for entertainment. A Canadian reservist writes a small series of stories and he gets arrested. Someone better tell us to turn off the creative center of our brains.

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posted 12 June 2021 21:06      Profile for echo     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Destruction of free speach seems to be a trend nowadays.
he's just lucky he doesnt go to a elementary or secondary school,he'd have been EXPELLED & ARRESTED.

just the other day i was talkin to my friend whos a Mcpl. in my cadet corp about wut he's gonna do at his CLI adventure camp at Blackdown.
somewhere in the conversation we're talking about him getting to shoot C7's while i (being a twinkie) have to shoot daisy's.
the teacher overheard us and sent us both to the office.
we were just lucky the vice principal's a soft an understanding guy(whom was a former cadet),otherwise we'd have been in deep PC crap.


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posted 13 June 2021 08:38      Profile for the patriot   Author's Homepage   Email the patriot   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This is the dark side of law enforcement. The Mounties "Always Get Their Man", regardless who it is (meaning an innocent person will get nailed for the offense and the actual culprit breaks loose). They will ruin someone's life just to make it look like they are actually doing something. No apology letter, just plain harassment that drains a person emotionally, financially and psychologically. That's what you get from inbred rednecks in the police service. Kaspacanada, I fully support your fellow reservist. This is not right at all, and he should get a lawyer immediately. Former Prime Ministers sue the government for slander over a deal on airplanes (Mulroney) and win settlements (we know the jerk has Swiss accounts to hide the kickbacks he got from Airbus), meanwhile men and women who promise to lay their lives down in battle get harassed by the Mounties. Maybe the idiots should talk to Walt Disney and see if they can buy their marketing rights back. But NO, they're so dumb they can't even protect Jean Chretien. Figures why the CAF took over anti-terrorist duties from
them. I guess that JTF-2 can probably spell words better than a bunch of hicks that wear stetsons.

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posted 13 June 2021 15:10      Profile for Soldier of Fortune   Email Soldier of Fortune   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
If Canada had more special forces such as the Americans, like the U.S. Marshals, F.B.I etc., then maybe we can have people actually protecting our country's leader and have a branch of plice dedicated to cracking down on terrorists,l then maybe this kind of stuff would not happen and there would not be as much screwups.


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As usual, "The Province" lives up to its reputation for sub-par reporting. They have failed to include key parts of the story that would make the situation much more clearer.
Did the RCMP over-react?
Yes, and I hope this is not a standard operating procedure for taking down terrorists. -IF- Mr. Morley was a terrorist, why would they immediatley take him down instead of putting him under surveillance and investigating him for accompliices, motives, or the fact that he was a terrorist at all. Seems like a poor handling of the investigation if you ask me.
Was the RCMP investigation warrented?
Yes, Mr. Morley was accused of a very serious charge by a co-worker. As the RCMP is responsible for this area of crime, I would be outraged if they ignored it. The safety of the public was paramount, and it would have been wrong to ignore the accusation, even though it was false.
Mr. Morley is the victim of a attempted smear tactic by a disgruntled co-worker, followed up by an RCMP gaffe. This is not an encrouchment upon his rights or anything. Mr. Morley should and will receive restitution. But we can stop with the black helicopters, taking are rights, conspiracy crap.
Patriot, I find your attacks on the RCMP somewhat childish. This is an unfortunate incident which is the result of the ****-up by the officer in-charge of the investigation. The RCMP, like the military, is a federal organization that is starving for manpower and adequete funding. Perhaps the local unit did not possess the resources to adequetely handle this situation. Although there was an overreaction on their part, the organization as a whole is certainly not as inept as you make it out to be.
As for Soldier of Fortune's statement. I suspect you are quite young as you are a cadet. The U.S. Marshals and the Federal Bureau of Investigation are certainly not "special forces". The role of the U.S. Marshals is to protect the Federal courts and ensure the effective operation of the judicial system, while the F.B.I is tasked with handling Federal or trans-state criminal acts. They are also responsible for investigating foreign intelligence agents and terrorists operating in the United States.
Canada possess organizationas that are tasked to fulfill all the duties mentioned above , in addition to counter-terrorism and VIP protection, however, like I said above, the lack of manpower, resources, and funding are a serious detriment to these roles being successfully filled.

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G'day Infanteer. Occam's razor would suggest that your interpretation of the story makes more sense, but was there any investigation before the Horsemen decided the guy was a potential threat? If you can post links to any more objective accounts of what went on, then I for one would be keen to see them.
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posted 14 June 2021 10:56      Profile for the patriot   Author's Homepage   Email the patriot   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Infanteer,

Your points are well taken. What is childish Infanteer, is the fact that the way the RCMP operates is completely in line with what I mentioned in my original post. As an aside, it doesn't take 16 years to charge Mr. Reyat with the Air India Bombing from 1985. I find it childish, that family members of those 329 people just finally got the justice they have been praying for. Evidence was lost by "RCMP" officers handling the case. They will have more manpower shortages an even smaller budget due to their incompetence. You know as well as I do that people are leaving the law enforcement field, and the profession of arms at an ever alarming rate due to morons that like to play the "game". Therefore I will not change my opinion, or retract my comments due to your point of view on the situation already discussed.

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Bloggins, my information is first-hand. I serve in the same Regiment as Pte. Morley and have spoken with him about it numerous times. I stand behind him in his self-defence as he has suffered many personnal and professional setbacks due to this incedent.
However I have tried to look at this situation from a neutral standpoint. Mr. Morley was accused of a very serious crime (attempted murder) and the RCMP are obligated to investigate the matter. What was in the article (but not included in the excerpt given here) is the fact that while Mr. Morley was on vacation his passport was flagged and he was examined by border authorities at every port of entry. So yes, there must have been an investigation.
But it appears that the investigation did not go in-depth enough to discover that Mr. Morley is not a terrorist, but Military buff, not unlike many of us. The RCMP jumped the gun, someone ****ed up, and I hope there will be reprecussions due to this incident (can the idiot in charge, policy changes to prevent this from happening again).
Patriot, the military and the RCMP both suffer from the same problems of politics and cronyism. A good read is "The Last Gaurdians" by Paul Palango; there is a lot more than meets the eyes, and I bet the Air-India investigation no doubt had its own circumstances. I still find your comments similar to someone to calling me or a fellow soldier "baby-killer" due to a couple ****ing wankers in Somalia. I stand behind my defense of the RCMP.

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Well done to the RCMP. Has it passed anyone's attention that Mister Morley needs to avoid the appearance of impropriety? Give me a break - if his job is guarding an important part of the province's justice system, it behooves him to not be publishing fantasy stories about criminal acts. I work in the BOR of the Calgary Highlanders - if I were to start writing fictional stories about regimental officers having affairs, or plotting to murder someone, it would be assumed I was betraying their trust in some way.

Perhaps Mister Morley needs to get an actual publishing deal instead of passing his tripe around the mess, or putting it on the internet (last pathetic bastion of the truly unpublishable fiction writer). Until he does, he is not an author. He is a scribbler - and depending on what he scribbles, a possible threat to security.

Living in a free country doesn't mean doing whatever the hell you want. It means having respect - for elders, for superiors, and for those institutions and persons you have sworn an oath to serve and protect.

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Pte. Morley is a good guy, he's not a terrorist...and he is interested in how things are done. He thinks...unlike many "grunts". So he thinks about strategy...is someone not allowed to think about it? He was nit thinking about how to get away with storming the legislature...he was THINKING about how to react. Doing FIBUA, you think about the best way to storm the area with the least amount of casualties...when there are hostages...you THINK about getting them out safely...OR do you?

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All this seems like a lot of speculation, and some of you guys are letting your preconceptions colour how you view the whole event. I can hear the axes grinding from here...

Based on what Infanteer says, the reason they latched on to him in the first place was because an accusation of attempted murder was brought against him. I don't see anything in what's been said so far to demonstrate that he was getting extra-special treatment because he was considered to be the next Tim McVeigh. On what do you base that? Has the RCMP actually gone on record to say that these scenarios (or his Militia service for that matter) were matters of special concern? Of course, if you guys have access to more facts than are posted here, by all means point me to them.

Sure Pte. Morley is getting it up the hoop. But presuming the accusation can be shown to be frivolous or vexatious, then whoever made the accusation and whoever failed to identify it accordingly are headed for their own world of hurt.


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quote:
Originally posted by Bloggins:
All this seems like a lot of speculation, and some of you guys are letting your preconceptions colour how you view the whole event. I can hear the axes grinding from here....


I agree that there hasn't been a lot of solid info to go on. We still haven't received any kind of explanation as to what exactly the good private had written, or how it was being disseminated.

I'm not saying the RCMP is beyond reproach, nor are they paragons of perfection. But the point has been made rather well that they at least deserve the presumption of competence - until proven otherwise - just as the private in question is innocent until proven guilty.



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The private and me sat down for a while at the last night we were at the barracks for a few and he described the stories to me and another member of the unit. Until this point, we had no idea what had been going on. He told us his view of the events and described us the "take down" at the airport. My particular view is that if this guy was searched at EVERY checkpoint along his trip, then why did the RCMP feel the need for a hostile takedown when he got off the plane? Not only that, but he was not charged...I write stories about military stuff too and one day I plan to write a script about peacekeeping. (When I am older, wiser, and have actually done a share of it) But just because someone writes about something does not mean that he or she will actually do anything. Take the example of the guy who was recently let go on charges of possession of written child pornography? Do you remember the guy who wrote those sick bloody stories for his own twisted amusement? He was let go...I pray he never gets his hands on a child. That crime would be just as horrible if not worse than what Morley wrote about.

The RCMP should investigate accusations of terrorist activites but should not jump until they have reason...from another angle... mabey they should...I would almost rather be safe than sorry..but they still should have good enough reason.

In Israel, the police and security forces often assasinates memebers of Palistinian factions suspected of terrorist plottings and actions...they probably/hopefully have good enough reason for their suspicion and that area of the world is so wrought with violence that those actions, however condemning in my mind, can be validated by the people who carry out those attrocities. Canada is NOT near that point yet and I would expect our police and security forces to act accordingly.

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We're not at that point yet?

What about the wacko teenagers who write stories and set up websites outlining which of their teachers and fellow students they are going to kill?

After Columbine, you can't blame people for being a little edgy. Look what that janitor in Japan did - armed with just a knife.

I can understand that no one wants the police kicking in doors and pointing guns at people and their parents at random. But I am willing to live with certain restrictions on our freedom if it means ascertaining whether or not a "writer" is also a "nutcase" - as was the case with the losers in Columbine - before they have a chance to do anything criminal.



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Micheal, I think you hit the nail on the head with "live with certain restrictions on our freedom". This is Canada not the US and our constitution states the gov't can put restrictions on certain rights if it is reasonable in a free society. We ARE NOT Americans whose give liberty or give me death is making the gov't suspect from everything from drivers licences to taxes (ie Tim McViegh).

People should understand that times have changed and you now must be careful in what you say and do. If you have thoughts (and I mean fiction) write them down privatly. As soon as it is no longer private, be prepared for the consequences. It is the same as saying the word "bomb" in an airport- you get what you deserve. This is not thought control just prudence.

As for us having an alphebet soup of law enforcement angencies (all having SWAT teams etc) you are just asking for the trouble that we are arguing against.

And lastly, everyone is sreaming about law and order, but it seems only in the case of "real criminals" not the mistreated or the unjustifed (read this case and Latimer).


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