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bossi
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posted 28 May 2021 08:15      Profile for bossi   Email bossi   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Personally, I feel Mr. O'Reilly is unworthy of being a parliamentary secretary to the Minister of National Defence (and, I'm exercising phenomenal self-restraint by limiting myself to this statement, and not saying what I really think about this weasel). Here's the background:

MP's comment draws fire from general
Remark that generals only 'get conscience' after first pension cheque riles MacKenzie
Joanne Laucius
The Ottawa Citizen

A retired general has angrily replied to an MP's remark that generals get "some type of conscience" as soon as they get their first pension cheques.

Retired Gen. Lewis MacKenzie fired off a letter to John O'Reilly, parliamentary secretary to Defence Minister Art Eggleton, after he got a copy of remarks made by Mr. O'Reilly in the Commons in mid May.

Gen. MacKenzie is among the prominent retired generals who have recently warned the government that it must spend more money to replace equipment and attract recruits. Canadian troops are in "serious trouble," Gen. MacKenzie told the Commons defence committee, prior to Mr. O'Reilly's remarks.

The generals, including retired lieutenant-general Romeo Dallaire, retired lieutenant-general Charles Belzile and retired major-general Clive Addy, disputed chief of the defence staff Gen. Maurice Baril, who told the committee troops are now more combat-capable than they had been a decade ago. Gen. Baril, who is retiring, oversaw a 30-per-cent budget cut to the military.

On May 14, in response to a question from Alliance MP Roy Bailey, Mr. O'Reilly said in the Commons: "I have never been allowed to say it, but it seems to me that as soon as a general retires he receives with his first pension cheque some sort of conscience he never had when he was in the Canadian Forces."

But Gen. MacKenzie, who commanded United Nations peacekeepers in Bosnia, says he has risked the ire of National Defence before to warn about problems in the military.

In 1989 he said leadership of was in crisis and leaders' credibility with troops was at an all-time low.

In 1992, he critiqued the UN's ability to conduct large-scale operations. UN commanders praised him, but he was reprimanded by the Department of national Defence, which precipitated his decision to retire early.

Gen. MacKenzie remarked that within hours of announcing his retirement, Prime Minister Jean Chretien, then opposition leader, asked him to run as a Liberal.

"Presumably he was not concerned that, according to you, I was operating without a conscience," he said in a stinging letter to Mr. O'Reilly.

Last night, Gen. MacKenzie said he has spoken to some of his fellow retired generals who are "most upset" by Mr. O'Reilly's comments.

"I was upset that someone would attack my personal standards," he said. "For someone to say I have suddenly discovered a conscience is wrong."


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bossi
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posted 28 May 2021 08:17      Profile for bossi   Email bossi   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
And, here's what another had to say:

I voted with my feet to quit CF
Edward Gosden
The Ottawa Citizen

In response to John O'Reilly, parliamentary secretary to Defence Minister Art Eggleton, I did my conscience search one year prior to submitting my request for early retirement as a general officer in the Canadian Forces, and voted with my feet ("MP's comment draws fire from general," May 25).

Mr. O'Reilly, who would willingly denigrate a group of retired senior miliary leaders to protect the interests of his political master, is symbolic of what the senior leadership of the CF must contend with on a daily basis. When someone doesn't like the message, they attempt to shoot the messenger. I believe that is what Mr. O'Reilly was attempting to do.

I am now willing to add my name to the list of retired general officers who support the comments of retired generals Lew MacKenzie, Charles Belzile and Clive Addy. The facts will prove them right.

Edward Gosden,

Toronto
Brigadier-General (Retired)
Past commandant,
Canadian Forces College


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bossi
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posted 28 May 2021 08:24      Profile for bossi   Email bossi   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
To paraphrase Mr. O'Reilly (a pathetic little man who, sadly, is a Member of Parliament) :

"I have never been allowed to say it, but it seems to me that as soon as a Liberal Member of Parliament retires he receives with his first pension cheque some sort of conscience he never had when he was in the House of Commons."


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posted 28 May 2021 15:30      Profile for Grunt031        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thank Goodness we have old warriors like General MacKenzie looking after us. Imagine he did run Liberal and became the Minister of National Defence....
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the patriot
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posted 28 May 2021 16:21      Profile for the patriot   Author's Homepage   Email the patriot   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Come to think of it. MacKenzie as a Minister of National Defence would be a great thing to see happen. It has been quite some time since this country has had a high profile senior officer (retired obviously) in cabinet, regardless of political stripe.

-the patriot-

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JRMACDONALD
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posted 28 May 2021 17:14      Profile for JRMACDONALD   Email JRMACDONALD   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Patriot- Ever heard of Fred Miflin-Lib? ( I think , a Rear ADM(retd)) This is not a challenge. just a question.



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posted 29 May 2021 10:29      Profile for bossi   Email bossi   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Mifflin was Minister of Fisheries, if memory serves me correctly.

How about the honourable member for Perth-Middlesex - John Richardson, CD (BGen, ret'd - former Comd CMA - previously a parliamentary secretary for the Minister of National Defence ...)?

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posted 29 May 2021 11:22      Profile for JRMACDONALD   Email JRMACDONALD   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
IF memory serves correct, I believe Miflin was also DVA Minister.



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posted 29 May 2021 15:17      Profile for bossi   Email bossi   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
By jove, I think you're right!
Once upon a time, DVA was entitled to their own minister, but during a cabinet shuffle they got lumped together with DND/MND (presumably because veterans affairs wasn't a large enough population/constituency to warrant their own minister ... as opposed to some of the ridiculous cabinet appointments we suffer through today ... like whatever Hedry Fry is flogging these days ... I'm surprised we still don't have a Minister of Silly Walks like Monty Python)

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