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Soldier of Fortune
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posted 05 September 2021 19:03      Profile for Soldier of Fortune   Email Soldier of Fortune   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The soldiers in the reserves/militias are not considered civilians right?


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PTE Fader
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posted 05 September 2021 20:31      Profile for PTE Fader   Email PTE Fader   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Fresh from my basic:

Reservists, unlike Reg Force, fall under the CSD (Code of Service Discipline) when they;
-are wearing a CF uniform
-on a military installation eg: ship, aircraft, vehicle
-are on certain types of leave
-are discussing matters pertaining to employment with the CF

But as a general rule of thumb, I personally like to conduct myself in a manner that puts a good face to the CF, whether or not I'm actually working. Cause even though I'm a civvy when I'm not in green, I still think it's important to have a quasi-soldier mentality.


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posted 06 September 2021 14:29      Profile for SAXON        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
[Sniper] To "Soldier of Fortune" (oh, good grief!):

Members of the Reserve Force are considered civilians while pursuing their civilian lives. They are considered CF members when subject to the Code of Service Discipline.

What this means is that a soldier could (for instance) be charged for being insubordinate while subject to the Code of Service Discipline (see below for the actual circumstances of when the Code applies to Res pers), but could not be charged if he, say, was insubordinate over the phone from his private residence and not currently being paid as a soldier.

It is a grey area in some instances, because the issue of Reserve service liability, Code of Service Discipline applicability, and insurance coverage for Res pers are at times at odds with one another.

For instance: A Res soldier in uniform walking from his residence to his place of duty is subject to the Code of Service Discipline. However; he is not yet ON duty and so it may be argued (especially by the Vet's Affairs bean-counters) that, should he get run over, he is not eligible for insurance coverage. There have been several such cases in the last few years where injured Res troops have had to fight their way through the courts to get a settlement. Thoroughly disgusting, admittedly, but a sad fact of bureaucracy.

To Pte F: If that's what you were taught in basic trg, your instructors were almost correct. Sadly, a simple perusal of Queen's Regulations and Orders would have given them the correct material to pass on. The fol ref should clear it up for you:
http://www.dnd.ca/admfincs/subjects/qr_o/vol2/ch102_e.asp#102.01

[ 06 September 2001: Message edited by: SAXON ]


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posted 06 September 2021 15:30      Profile for Soldier of Fortune   Email Soldier of Fortune   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thanks for the info guys.


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posted 06 September 2021 18:40      Profile for Gunner   Email Gunner   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Saxon, that was an excellent post. Your comments about being subject to the code of service discipline while driving to/from a parade night while not being deemed "on duty" are also right on the money. There have been several soldiers over the years that have been coming home from a parade night and are killed by a drunk driver and do not receive dime. There is an bit of wisdom that states if you are having a heart attack, stroke, etc it is better to drive to work and make the call for the ambulance from work vice calling an ambulance from home.

Keep up the good posts.


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