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G I JAY
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posted 03 July 2021 18:26

i was looking over some of the projects and operations canada is doing right now and there are billions of dollars being used for military purpose. some of it is neede but canada cant afford this right now. canada should delay some of these projects and not give money away to poorer contries because the more money spent on military the more taxes we have to pay. [Canadian]

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Andrew Brunton
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posted 03 July 2021 20:38

I agree in part with what you say from a practical standpoint. But the reality of it is
the money we give to poorer countries is sorely needed. We can't stop those donations
if we want to mantain our countries position as a champion of the UN's global
humanitarian efforts. And these programs in effect for Canada's armed forces wont go
on forever, the purchasing of new equipment and reforming of programs can only take
so long, and eventually taxes will go back down. I'd rather take a socialist standpoint
and pay more taxes but see more benefits for all.

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posted 03 July 2021 21:12

Maybe Canada should spend all the money going to poor countries on its military. Then the military can be deployed and help them.

(this is not my opinion, it is simply an idea)

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posted 03 July 2021 21:57

If we spent more money giving aid to countries, and persuaded them to abandon their dictatorial regimes, we would not have to deploy soldiers overseas at all.

Peacekeepers are not the cure to the problems, just a bandaid. The world we are striving for is one with no wars - and no peacekeepers.

That is achieved through economic prosperity.

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posted 03 July 2021 22:32

I agree with Michael, in the perfect world there would be no militaries. But in the
mean-time we have a use for our military, and should mantain it. Though we still have
to work towards a better future (donations to poor countries) so what we need is a
good balance.

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posted 04 July 2021 10:31

just because canada is the worlds leading u.n peace keeping country in the world , does not mean it is the only country that can help out poorer
countries. what about the u.s.a there the richest and most powerful country in the world but the have there head so far up the @$$ they wont even think about helping out 3rd world counties. and because of canadas generosity it has left us almost as poor as some aisian and africain counrtys.i know that canada needs all the tanks and equipment we are buying to be come a more powerful country but we cant afford it and to help out ever other countries. our country could be so far in debt we might have to ask the americans to help us out of financial troubles and we all know that is not somethin we want.

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posted 04 July 2021 11:30

Canada is currently far from the "worlds leading UN Peacekeeper". We have only 304 (DND figures, not including Police/Civilians) personnel deployed on UN Missions (Blue Beret missions...not NATO!) The biggest contingent is in the Golan Heights, with around 190 pers, but the majority of our deployments consist of VERY small groups...sometimes only one man on the ground. If you want to compare numbers...check out this link to see how we compare to the rest of the world...

UN Peacekeeping Contributors - May

Some of the poorest countries in the world are amongst the biggest contributers. Take a look at the African missions...not alot of European/North American faces in those hellholes...

I find it awfully depressing that our Government seems to take great pride in a Peacekeeping reputation we can no longer afford to maintain with current funding/manning levels.

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posted 04 July 2021 12:02

acording to the guinness book of records 2001 canada and fija have taken place in 42 out of 49 u.n peace keeping operations more than any other nation on this planet and at most times most canadas army are away in the middle east or in bosnia. canada has shipped to destroys along with 500 troops to mozambique in order to teach children about sports, dangers and school. because they are to poor to do it them selves.and acording to dnd canada is invold in 18 operations in the world and has a total of 2474 troops on those operations.which i am not to sure about but i think that that is alot more then alot of other nations but i am trying to find info on it right now.

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posted 04 July 2021 12:07

It is true that Asian and African countries contribute many soldiers, however all the "soldiers" the give are not trained or equiped. I got this information from a book, but I forget what it is called. (the book is about Canadas contribution to U.N. missions, maybe some of you guys know what it is called)

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posted 04 July 2021 12:08

sorry about that i meant 17 peace keeping operations

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posted 04 July 2021 12:14

soldier of fortune does make a good point. because of the africain countrys being so populated the can suppl soldiers to other countrys as long as that country supplies them with weopens andtraining. befor i forget is the navy and army base in halifax the largest in canada. [Canadian]

Jay Calleper

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posted 04 July 2021 12:43

No kidding the poor nations have sub-standard militaries. That's one of the glaring reasons that Western nations should be in countries where the Third-World nations currently deployed by the UN...

Now...I don't think that you can argue with numbers. Yes, in the past we contributed alot of troops to UN missions...I believe that was what we were talking about...not our NATO contributions in Bosnia, or STANAVFORLANT (or sometimes STANAVFORMED). But, a country is credited with participation in a UN Mission if they only contribute one man on the ground...and alot of those 42(?) missions were made up of a handful of personnel.

Where did you get your troop numbers? If you check to see the numbers of troops involved in missions...UN MISSIONS, not NATO, not MFO, not IMATTs, not AWACS, not STANAVFORLANT, we have 304 personnel on UN Missions...BLUE BERET missions...

You stated that we were the "worlds leading u.n. peace keeping country in the world". If you count number of missions...hey...sure we are. But we definitely are not "the only country that can (or does) help out poorer countries."

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posted 04 July 2021 13:29

i know there is only 304 troops on u.n missions but there are 2474 troops on peace keeping missions that are not u.n i was counting nato and all the others as well but still canada has been on more peace keeping operations then most other countrys in the world so 3rd world countrys look to us for money and troops. [Canadian]

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posted 04 July 2021 15:37

now back to the main idea about this post. canada is buying well over 1000 new a.p.c and are upgrading all our jets,tanks and carriers which of coarse is needed but so is peace keeping so canada is buying all this new equipment and in a mounth or two from now it will be shpped away on a peace keeping operation and could be destroyed.
the equipment canada is buying should stay in the country other wise it is almost a wast of money [Canadian]

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posted 04 July 2021 23:04

If you are not going to use the equipment why buy it? Im sure you will get your moneys worth using it rather then admiring it? Why buy tools for war if you are just going to keep them in the shed

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