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Se7eN
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posted 14 June 2021 20:29

HI,
Its my understanding that the Cdn troops only get the new Gore-Tex, assault vests and ect.. while on an operation. Why do they not get it back here in Canada? is this a good way of doing things??

Let me know

_ Se7eN

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posted 14 June 2021 22:14

Because its all new and not enough made right now. As more kit gets finished the more it passed down the line. In the reserves we already have the goretex jacket and new fleece and gloves and underwear and the gerber. *hopefully* by next summer we will have the new combats aswell.

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posted 15 June 2021 06:32

You appear to have a true fixation with 'kit'. I would ask you to carefully examine the kit and equipment utilized by the Armies of WW2 and Korea and tell me that their equipment was superior to what we have now.

No? Well maybe it wasn't the kit and gear that got the job done, Eh?

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posted 15 June 2021 09:15

At the end of the day your Section Battle Drills will pull you through a skirmish and help you survive. Not how many pockets your load carrying vest has or how cool your gortex all weather boots are. Soldiers a hundred years ago did not have "synthetic garments that breathe". They had to deal with cotton and good old wool.

-the patriot-

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posted 16 June 2021 15:16

If I had the choice between gortex weather boots and the crap leather ones we have now obviously I am gonna go with the gortex.

Obviously kit doesnt make the soldier. BUT it can assist him in doin his job with not having to worry about stupid problems that can only be explained from poorly designed equipment like the ruck and webbing not fitting properly.

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centurion
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posted 16 June 2021 16:38

patriot

We find some of your musings confusing, to say the least. At times, you pose questions and opinions that are somewhat thoughtful and open to meaningful debate and discussion. However, at other times you seem so far off the wall (like this thread) that you don't seem to know the current goings on. Do you get your info from scraps of overheard conversation you hear in bars frequented by disgrunteld soldiers, or scuttlebutt picked up in the local legion? We find it odd that a serving member of the military, no matter what, regular, reserve or even cadets would think that the new issue kit is superfluous to a soldiers well being and performance. Maybe that's the ticket. Have you or do you serve as a soldier? If so, we would be interested in your qualifications and where you may (or may not) be getting your inane ideas. Having worn battledress (and not as a cadet) and now the new gortex, three different generations of fighting order and load carrying gear, I can attest that todays is the best ever. It improves morale, hence performance. Wet and cold soldiers do not performe at peak. To speak of cotton and wool being just as good as today's gear is a farce, and anyone with TI (do you have any?) would know better than to make such a statement and insult our intelligence.

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egon
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posted 16 June 2021 17:02

Who is we?

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RCA
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posted 16 June 2021 19:51

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Michael Dorosh
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posted 16 June 2021 20:38

quote:
Originally posted by centurion:
patriot
We find some of your musings confusing, to say the least. At times, you pose questions and opinions that are somewhat thoughtful and open to meaningful debate and discussion. However, at other times you seem so far off the wall (like this thread) that you don't seem to know the current goings on. Do you get your info from scraps of overheard conversation you hear in bars frequented by disgrunteld soldiers, or scuttlebutt picked up in the local legion? We find it odd that a serving member of the military, no matter what, regular, reserve or even cadets would think that the new issue kit is superfluous to a soldiers well being and performance. Maybe that's the ticket. Have you or do you serve as a soldier? If so, we would be interested in your qualifications and where you may (or may not) be getting your inane ideas. Having worn battledress (and not as a cadet) and now the new gortex, three different generations of fighting order and load carrying gear, I can attest that todays is the best ever. It improves morale, hence performance. Wet and cold soldiers do not performe at peak. To speak of cotton and wool being just as good as today's gear is a farce, and anyone with TI (do you have any?) would know better than to make such a statement and insult our intelligence.

Read his post again, you obviously missed the point.

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centurion
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posted 17 June 2021 10:56

egon-
We write in the third person, plural. No particular reason, just an all encompassing habit picked up years ago, it's a writing form that seems to grab the reader's attention. Sorry for the confusion.

RCA-
Welcome to our world, if that is your wish, we seem to think on the same lines.

Michael-
As stated at the beginning, some are good some are confusing. Didn't take the time to reread it six or seven times to fathom the point. Just read it once as another ambiguous statement.

patriot-
If we misconstrued your point, our apologies. If not, feel free to reply.

People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.
--George Orwell--

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Michael Dorosh
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posted 17 June 2021 16:16

Well, without trying to speak for anyone else, I think the point to be made here is that fixating on kit is all well and good, but it's what a soldier does with the kit that counts. There are no magic boots that will make you less tired after marching 30 kilometres, or magic raincoats that will keep you dry in a typhoon, or stop you from sweating in Shilo this summer. Discomfort, and adapting to it, is part of a soldier's life.

If anyone is thinking of not joining the Forces because not everyone has gore-tex boots and the latest assault vest, then yes, they have a kit fixation and probably aren't going to do well no matter what they are issued with.

Canadian soldiers have always made do with what they had at the time. It is as true for the Reservist in Wainwright this summer, wearing 15 year old combat clothing and web gear, as it was for the soldier at Vimy Ridge, wearing brand new 08 pattern web and Kitchener pattern Service Dress.

I agree that much of the current generation of kit is excellent and better by far than, say, 1937 Pattern WE. I disagree, however, that using the slow supply of the absolute latest kit as an excuse for poor soldiering should be acceptable.

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centurion
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posted 17 June 2021 16:38

Michael-
We never assumed to speak for anyone else. If people were confused, we aplologize (again). Hopefully, this will put the matter to rest and when someone reads our post(s) they'll compensate accordingly. By way of explanation and to take the edge off, I offer the following as a light hearted excuse. Cheers.

People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.
--George Orwell--

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Soldier of Fortune
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posted 17 June 2021 16:40

A point to be made about the latest kit:

-if your issued the latest assault vest/bullet proof vest it could save your life.

[Canadian] [Bullet] Soldier of Fortune

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Michael Dorosh
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posted 17 June 2021 18:25

quote:
Originally posted by Soldier of Fortune:
A point to be made about the latest kit:
-if your issued the latest assault vest/bullet proof vest it could save your life.

So could a bible over your heart...do you carry one?

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posted 18 June 2021 21:27

Hey, not to be a moderator but this is a free flow discussion and no one should ever limit their comments. Feel free to speak your mind but be ready to take your lumps when you say something stupid. The best way to combat ignorance is to get it out into the open.

I can happily state that for the last couple of rotations overseas there has been no requirement to turn in your kit. It seems the only thing they want back now is the barrack boxes!

While it was sad that it has taken so long, we have made leaps and bounds during the last 6 or so years in the area of dress and kit (even major equipment - Coyote and LAV).

For The Patriot - the simple fact is that soldiers didn't use this equipment 100 years ago because it wasn't readily available. If it had been, be assured that they would have been clamouring for it. [War Story]

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