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the patriot
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posted 23 May 2021 11:17      Profile for the patriot   Author's Homepage   Email the patriot   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hello,

It seems that the trend is moving towards the privitization of "war". Listed under Military Information of User Submitted Links are some sites of Private Military Companies. What is actually happening is that Governments and the UN alike are contracting out these companies so that their armies are not responsible for things if they go badly during a mission (for example Somalia). How do you feel about this trend?!

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posted 23 May 2021 14:37      Profile for Bloggins   Email Bloggins   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hmm, 'scuse my ignorance, but could you give a couple of examples of govt's/UN contracting out to private firms for things other than support services?

And if anyone thinks that hiring a contractor is going to absolve them of responsibility if the contractor screws up... they have another think coming. Can you just imagine if it had been a bunch of mercs under contract to DND who pulled off all the nonsense in Somalia instead of the CAR? Man, then we would have seen some heads roll!


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posted 23 May 2021 17:54           Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yes the facts generally are there. Keep in mind, inclusive of support functions, there are many aspects of military operations that we may not necessarily consider HARD military, but they are key to successful operational function and accomplishment that are contracted out and done so successfully. Vinnell Corp is an example; they do a lot of overseas work for the US in the Gulf region and Middle East, such as Turkey. We have Bombardier and ATCO Frontec.
www.vinnell.com

Companies such as MPRI have provided direct military contract services for the US in the Balkans training certain military forces there.
http://www.mpri.com/channels/home.html

Another company that provides discrete support to the US abroad is Dyncorp, read between the lines if you have to.
http://www.dyncorp.com/areas/index.htm

For your reading pleasure you can explore the following link:
http://free.freespeech.org/napalm74/main.html

An area that many overlook is air operations. This is considered a prime military function; the CF has on numerous occasions used heavy lift from other militaries and private firms. The United Nations does this as well, especially within Mission Areas. Private contract air operations are the buzz of the day. Rarely do you see military airlift in support of missions, unless the tasked nation provides their own, usually in support of their contingent.

There are numerous reports or purporting of private firms out there providing military contract services to the UN and in support of various national government foreign ventures.

Some are true many are not. But this move is based upon economic reasons, not some underlying motive. Standing military forces are not cheap and if you only need this service once in a blue moon, why not contract someone. Especially if that lucrative diamond interest, oh sorry, I digress.

There is a lot of good info out there, and if you wish to dig deeper, have fun.


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posted 23 May 2021 18:56      Profile for Grunt031        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Those Croatians that 2PPCLI tangled with in the Medak Pocket were trained and advised by MPRI, of which a key member was General (Ret.) Carl Vuono, former US Army Chief of Staff.

About reading between the lines, just check out one of the shell companies of this DynCorp at http://www.dynmeridian.com/

Although this invasion by big business is kinda spooky, it is nothing new. Selling ones military services is the second oldest profession in the book, next to selling ones body. Hell, the Greek city states frequently hired cavalry, archers, and slingers from nearby lands to help support their citizen armies.

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posted 05 June 2021 14:28      Profile for the patriot   Author's Homepage   Email the patriot   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Did some further digging and discovered an interesting site. I've come across the site of Armet Armored Vehicles. They make different levels of ballistically shielded vehicles here in Canada. It is my understanding that JTF-2 has used some of their products and furthermore, that Private Military Companies are procuring these vehicles for their operations as well. Here's the link below.
http://www.aavi.com

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posted 19 June 2021 09:08      Profile for the patriot   Author's Homepage   Email the patriot   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
....... did some deeper digging and found a few more companies of interest.

This people are Canadian based and do everything from Close Protection to consulting work for foreign militaries:
Globe Risk Holdings

An extremely similar company with an international client base: Armor Group

These people are extremely professional, and know what they are doing: Military Executives For Hire

Apparently, quite a few of these companies in the field are hiring former Candian Armed Forces members.

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posted 27 June 2021 23:07      Profile for Cbt Engr   Email Cbt Engr   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It would seem to me that any company like those listed would seek to recruit members or former members of any military, not just the Canadian Forces. For that matter, members of the CF have been approached by organized crime syndicates for recruitment purposes also.
And for a question about that second link you posted, patriot, Military Executives for Hire. Their site has no information whatsoever except what they claim they can do.
I trust you contacted them before making the statement that "they know what they're doing".
Although, I doubt the professionalism of any company that utilizes a free web-based email as a primary point of contact.

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These people are extremely professional, and know what they are doing: Military Executives For Hire

Ya, good find Patriot. As usual, we'll take your word on it.
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Military Executives for Hire go where other men FEAR to TREAD

Sounds EXTREMELY professional to me.
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Regardless of how complex or intricate your problem appears to be, our Team of professionals will tackle the assignments that other won't.

What, like pulling a tactical insertion and freeing up your clogged toilet?
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Send them an email. With all your knowledge and experience, this is the organization for you.

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posted 30 June 2021 13:29      Profile for the patriot   Author's Homepage   Email the patriot   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Cbt Engr, Infanteer:

Hushmail is probably the most secure web-based
e-mail prgram on the internet. Investigate for yourself. There are many benefits to using a web-based program as opposed to an ISP. As intelligent people, I would assume that one would understand that some of these companies will not openly discuss "the whole nine yards upfront". You will have to deal with them yourself and see what they have to say.

-the patriot- [Canadian]


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posted 30 June 2021 13:37      Profile for the patriot   Author's Homepage   Email the patriot   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
For those capable of engaging in intelligent discourse, I have a paper that I will link below all about The Medak Pocket. It should shed some further light on Canadian involvement in the Balkans and what we were up against with MPRI.

The Medak Pocket

-the patriot- [Canadian]


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While we're looking at the various aspects of peacekeepers, other than from the jaundiced eye of the Canadian media and the current political hacks in uniform, located at the puzzle palace on Col Bye Dr and the dweeb lemmings at Parlimentl Hill, here's a good one. This lengthy tome is a soldier's diary from the Airborne in Somolia. It comes from the other commando unit stationed there that was not involved in the overblown fiasco that has, totally and to the detriment of all personnel in uniform, painted us with a wide brush of loathing from the country we're sworn to gladly defend. It cuts straight to the chase and pulls no punches. It should be required reading for every journalism class in Canada to prove to the air conditioned remfs at CBC that there are two sides to every story. And their job is to report the news not to embellish, invent or slant it to curry favour and gain grants from the current politicos in Ottawa. Book mark it and go back to it in pieces so it can be appreciated, this guy should publish.

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